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Excess Deaths in 2020

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Re: Excess Deaths in 2020

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt the entire US became sharply more obese in the past year, though, so much so that it also died from it.

The suggestion wasn't that they were dying from obesity, but from its correlation with covid. Not sure if it can account for the increase, but in conjunction with pretty terrible handling of the crisis during 2020 I could imagine it at least.

That makes sense, I misunderstood, thanks.

Re: Excess Deaths in 2020

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One thing I would like to know, and I don’t know enough about mortality measures so maybe someone who does could chip in, would be essentially what is the probability of observing a year like 2020 with respect to all cause mortality. Is it in 99th-percentile or are we looking at an observation within a standard deviation of the expected value,etc.

Re: Excess Deaths in 2020

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In a year when Geico is giving their customers an across the board rebate on their premiums because driving miles are down so much, and driving accidents are the third or fourth leading cause of death in a non-pandemic year, I think we'd need to adjust downward the baseline. I wonder if these calculations take that into account?

Driving deaths are up:

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/05/974006735/tragic-driving-was-...

Re: Excess Deaths in 2020

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't you end up confounding a lot of different issues with that? Lifestyles and medicine has radically changed a fair bit in the last century, and so you'd end up with a bunch of confounding factors.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/04/23/us/covid-19-d... This is close to the analysis of interest. It’s true there are so many confounding issues, e.g. obesity rates have never been higher and are a huge cofactors, population inversion, etc.

Interesting that way fewer people died after the 1918 pandemic. I assume it "weeded out" all the people who were likely to die soon anyway, but what's more interesting is that the negative bar seems to be longer than the positive one, which would somehow mean that the pandemic saved lives? Very odd.

Re: Excess Deaths in 2020

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In a year when Geico is giving their customers an across the board rebate on their premiums because driving miles are down so much, and driving accidents are the third or fourth leading cause of death in a non-pandemic year, I think we'd need to adjust downward the baseline. I wonder if these calculations take that into account?

'Tragic': Driving Was Down In 2020, But Traffic Fatality Rates Surged

The National Safety Council (NSC) says deaths from motor vehicles rose 8% last year, with as many as 42,060 people dying in vehicle crashes.

When comparing traffic deaths to the number of miles driven, the rate of fatalities rose 24% — the highest spike in nearly a century, NSC says.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/05/974006735/tragic-driving-was-...

Re: Excess Deaths in 2020

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post #7

For some reason Europe saw a lot fewer excess deaths in 2020. For example, in Germany it was only ~ +3%, and Sweden, which didn't lock down and had no mask mandates, had a lower death rate than in 2012: https://i.redd.it/73x3fysmu7k61.png

That's interesting, why is that?

I'm not sure it's really a good comparison to pick a subset of European countries and compare them to the whole US. Some countries seem to have handled it better than others, which we could definitely learn from, but I don't think it is a US vs Europe problem like some other commenters seem to be implying. We could also compare Italy, Belgium, Hungary to Vermont.

Re: Excess Deaths in 2020

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't you end up confounding a lot of different issues with that? Lifestyles and medicine has radically changed a fair bit in the last century, and so you'd end up with a bunch of confounding factors.

Antibiotics became widely used in the last 100 years. We’ve learned a lot as a species in that time.

Exactly. And we've gotten better with cancer, but we've gotten worse with obesity. There's a bunch of layers to apply, so I don't know how factoring in the excess mortality from 1957 or 1942 is particularly useful if you're looking at how much upset COVID causes society.

Re: Excess Deaths in 2020

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post #8

I'd like to see a version of this analysis that incorporates all-cause mortality from a much larger time period; say the past fifty years rather than the past five.

Why?

Because it would give people a better intuitive sense of how bad COVID is in a larger civilizational/historical context.

Over the past 12+ months, people have accepted enormous infringements on freedoms in their everyday lives. Many of the public health measures that we take as a matter of course in the "new normal" - lockdowns, social distancing, extended closing of churches, etc.- are things that would have been almost unthinkable as recently as January of 2020.

If you look far enough back, to some point in the twentieth century, you'll find a time at which the baseline infectious disease risk in everyday life was higher than it has been in the COVID-era US. But people at that time went to crowded theaters, ate in restaurants, packed together in churches and schools, and so on. Restricting these things could have decreased their all-cause mortality, but they clearly found that option unacceptable.

Note that this isn't an issue of whether people "believe in science" or "believe in data". It's an issue of risk tolerance. People a few generations ago understood the Germ Theory of Disease perfectly well, and they knew that they could reduce the spread of infectious disease by implementing the kinds of measures we've implemented for COVID. And yet they didn't implement these measures, except in very minor and temporary ways. We've become far more risk-averse than they were. And the question of whether that's a good thing is not an empirical question.

Re: Excess Deaths in 2020

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In a year when Geico is giving their customers an across the board rebate on their premiums because driving miles are down so much, and driving accidents are the third or fourth leading cause of death in a non-pandemic year, I think we'd need to adjust downward the baseline. I wonder if these calculations take that into account?

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Re: Excess Deaths in 2020

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I'm curious if there's a good way to breakdown how much is caused by COVID vs., say, caused by the lockdown (i.e. delayed elective medical procedures, suicides, etc.). For example the US suicide rate declined from 2018 to 2019, but went back up in 2020. Naively assuming that all of the increase was due to the effects of the lockdowns would attribute ~2,880 suicides to them (or more if in a counterfactual world the suicide rate was going to continue declining if there hadn't been a lockdown). Obviously the real causes of these suicides would be difficult to impossible to determine with certainty, making this a difficult path to explore.

In the UK a study predicts a 7.9-9.6% increase in breast cancer deaths within 5 years of diagnosis due to diagnostic delays caused by COVID. For other cancers their estimates vary, i.e. 15.3%-16.6% for colorectal, 4.8%-5.3% for lung, etc. thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(20)30388-0/fulltext

Basically I guess what I'm really trying to get at is that while COVID is certainly a terrible disease, there seems to have been little to no cost-benefit analysis performed by policy makers regarding the lockdowns and other attempts to combat it.

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