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Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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WalterGR wrote: post #110
101001001001 wrote: post #61

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I second this. Nutritional epidemiology is a crime against science and is responsible for countless deaths and billions in lost productivity, unnecessary medical treatment. Fight against nutritional epidemiology for the good of society.

> responsible for countless deaths and billions in lost productivity, unnecessary medical treatment Wow. Links to supporting documents?

I didn’t get my opinion from a paper. I got it from reading countless papers. Figure it out for yourself

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by WalterGR »

101001001001 wrote: post #111
WalterGR wrote: post #110

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> responsible for countless deaths and billions in lost productivity, unnecessary medical treatment Wow. Links to supporting documents?

I didn’t get my opinion from a paper. I got it from reading countless papers. Figure it out for yourself

So no evidence. Got it.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by Jiocus »

phonypc wrote: post #92
Jiocus wrote: post #74

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I think this is a misconception. It's not about the fountain vs canned or bottle soda. Carbon dioxide lowers the pH of a drink to 4.5, which is acidic. The acid pH level erodes teeth and one shouldn't brush their teeth too soon after drinking soda because the enamel can be damaged. (Edit: acid on your teeth is always bad, brushing or not.) Getting a soft drink from a fountain often means getting a straw for your cup…

The pH of soft drinks is more typically in the range 2-4, due to the addition of various acids. And the negative effect of soft drinks on dental health is primarily from the action of acid-producing bacteria metabolizing sugar. Diet drinks aren't nearly as bad for your teeth, carbonated water barely has any effect.

You are right.

Using a straw is helpful in all these cases.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by Bancakes »

andy_ppp wrote: post #55
kleinsch wrote: post #44

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[2] 80% of things you eat have studies correlating them with increased or decreased risk of cancer

80% of people who report they don’t drink sugar do other shit to look after their health too - and are probably richer amongst other cofactors.

80% of people who report they don't drink sugar are probably lying or consume sweeteners that still give an insulin boost

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by mizzack »

twobitshifter wrote: post #90
andi999 wrote: post #59

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Which sugar is bad? Is fructose as bad as glucose?

For testosterone, they’re looking a sugar sweetened beverages which would either be sucrose or glucose-fructose (HFCS), so it cannot be answered Here’s a recent study that found that sucrose and fructose double liver fat production when compared to glucose. Both need more “processing” than glucose making them more expensive. My theory is that the body compensates for this by trying to increase fat stored. The study f…

> sucrose and fructose double liver fat production when compared to glucose

Of course it does. Sucrose is 50/50 fructose/glucose and fructose uses the liver as the metabolic pathway but glucose does not.

Pretty clueless that the linked article tries to correlate these results with type 2 diabetes, when insulin resistance is caused by glucose intake. The only correlation there is that if you're consuming a lot of fructose, you're probably consuming a lot of glucose, too.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by mizzack »

ypcx wrote: post #85
lambdaba wrote: post #60

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More dietary cholesterol. Raw egg yolks (easier to consume raw) in as large a quantity as you can handle.

Cholesterol/saturated fat will clog your penis arteries which is the leading cause of ED. (In fact ED is one of the first symptoms of heart disease, the No.1 killer.) Nutrition Facts has a page about testosterone, I'd suggest you start there: https://nutritionfacts.org/2017/05/16/foods-that-affect-test... edit: link to a video about ED vs diet: https://youtu.be/OVXzT_RBxFk

Dietary cholesterol has very little to no effect on serum cholesterol levels.

Eat those yolks, folks.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by mizzack »

papandada wrote: post #45

As a 41 year old man getting remarried, I'm personally interested in the subject of serum testosterone. I have noticed a sharp decline the past couple years and I'm sure aging plus computer job plus covid is a noxious blend. General advice out there includes lower stress, lose weight, keep active, get sleep, weightlifting is good, cardio is good but maybe not too much, IF may be good. Scientific studies are good but…

> lower stress, lose weight, keep active, get sleep, weightlifting is good, cardio is good but maybe not too much, IF may be good

It's annoying that these things seem like hand-wavy common sense advice for improving general health and not just raising T, but they are interrelated and helpful when it comes to boosting T.

Lowering stress reduces cortisol, which is catabolic. Your note about too much cardio plays in here as well. It increases cortisol and is also catabolic in its own right. Lowering cortisol helps you lose weight and get better sleep. Losing weight and intermittent fasting both improve insulin sensitivity. Insulin sensitivity makes for better weightlifting gains. Weightlifting increases T in its own right.

I've had good results with lifting heavy (3x 5-8 reps, 85% 1RM) in a fasted state around 11AM, followed by lunch and early dinner, maintaining a roughly 18/6 IF window.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by blaser-waffle »

tansey wrote: post #37
baq wrote: post #28

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Nice trolling, I hope, because it’s terrifying if you’re serious. Sugar basically doesn’t exist in nature without fiber. Animals have not evolved to consume significant quantities of it. Bacterial flora in your gut is different when you have sugar and not enough fiber.

> Sugar basically doesn’t exist in nature without fiber Honey?

Yeah nature does create sugar with little fiber, but it's not comparable to 1) the amount of high-fiber sources, and 2) the amount of refined industrial sugar.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by knuthsat »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #34
knuthsat wrote: post #21

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This is not true. The Robert Lustig scaremongering is a big lie. In his talk he mentions the healthy Japanese but he does not mention that they eat more calories from fructose (in percentage of their consumed calories) than USA citizens yet are healthier. Similarly how people stand against epidemiology they should stand against demonizing single ingredients. Apple, by Lustig's opinion, is the worst fruit there is but…

Why are you mischaracterizing Lustig's position? https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/making-the-case-fo... >Another nutrition expert, Dr. Robert Lustig, a professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco, who has called sugar “toxic” at high doses and fructose the most “actionable” problem in our diet, is still a fan of fruit. “As far as I’m concerned, fiber is the reason to eat fruit,” si…

I'm not. Fruit isn't apple. Apple is fruit with massive amounts of fructose.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by knuthsat »

baq wrote: post #28
knuthsat wrote: post #9

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Sugar is not bad. Just like meat or bacon is not bad. Why would sugar on its own be bad? Obviously it's the whole lifestyle and diet that is bad. There are cyclist that carb load by eatig raw sugar and have no metabolic issues like some of the overweight diabetics do when they drink their second gallon of sugary coca cola.

Nice trolling, I hope, because it’s terrifying if you’re serious. Sugar basically doesn’t exist in nature without fiber. Animals have not evolved to consume significant quantities of it. Bacterial flora in your gut is different when you have sugar and not enough fiber.

I'm not trolling. There's a giant wave of misinformation all of a sudden scaremongering around another ingredient, sugar. And the individuals boast on how this was previously done for fat and how epidemiology makes everything cancerous.

Both approaches entirely missing the diet and lifestyle connection and just scare people into restrictive and orthorexic diets and behavior.

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