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This isnt true. She died in 1913.
Reagan was born in 1911. So just barely true.
Ah, true: I mentally read “president”
Egyptologists uncover rare tombs from before the Pharaohs
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Re: Egyptologists uncover rare tombs from before the Pharaohs
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Zawi Hawass is like your over-zealous Wikipedia editor. He controls access to Egyptian antiquities. He has one story, and won't tolerate confusion. Everyone working has to be careful not to publish anything that might motivate him to exclude them. Not so different, really, from a lot of professors and Wikipedia editors, but with the power of the State behind his opinions.
So Egyptology isn't really a science today, and I should not trust what I hear too much?
Pre-literate antiquities are in bad shape everywhere. In Egypt it is just easiest to see. Fertile Crescent. Caucasus. Indus Valley. China. Peru. Amazon. Sundaland.
There will be plenty of opportunity to shake things up someday.
Re: Egyptologists uncover rare tombs from before the Pharaohs
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So Egyptology isn't really a science today, and I should not trust what I hear too much?
Lots of amazing work is being done in Egypt right now most of it IMHO being done by Geologists because they are much less likely to have any attachment towards any established theory. Zawi Hawass seems to have contempt for anyone who comes to conclusions that doesn't align with the gated narrative even when those conclusion are very well reasoned (For example: water erosion around the Sphinx). The official narrative…
> The official narrative that we were all taught in school of "Pyramids were built 4500 years ago as tombs by Khufu" I would say is understood to be highly inaccurate at this point by anyone outside of the Hawass circle.
I never heard of that before. What is thought to be more accurate?
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> materials up to and including corundum–hard as ruby Corundum isn't just "hard as ruby", they are the same material.
That makes the comparison pretty exact. But if you brought home any random chip of corundum and said, "look, a ruby", you might get funny looks. People can be pretty particular about their rubies and (not incidentally) sapphires.
They're only "right" in one of those cases. By definition, a ruby is red corundum, and a sapphire is corundum of any other color than red.
Re: Egyptologists uncover rare tombs from before the Pharaohs
#35>The tombs include 68 from the Buto period that began around 3300 B.C. and five from the Naqada III period, which was just before the emergence of Egypt's first dynasty around 3100 B.C., according to a statement from the Ministry of Tourism and Antiquities. This is incredible. When you zoom out of your daily life, zoom out before smartphones, before electricity, before most modern countries exist... there were other…
My favorite fact that puts time in perspective is that Cleopatra lived closer in time to the Moon Landing than the building of the great pyramids. (Also sometimes phrased as living closer in time to the first Pizza Hut instead of Moon Landing.) If you search it, you'll find listicles that go through a bunch of these fun facts.
Another iteration is simply she lived closer in time to the present than the building of the great pyramids. And yet another is replacing her with Jesus
Re: Egyptologists uncover rare tombs from before the Pharaohs
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lots of amazing work is being done in Egypt right now most of it IMHO being done by Geologists because they are much less likely to have any attachment towards any established theory. Zawi Hawass seems to have contempt for anyone who comes to conclusions that doesn't align with the gated narrative even when those conclusion are very well reasoned (For example: water erosion around the Sphinx). The official narrative…
> The official narrative that we were all taught in school of "Pyramids were built 4500 years ago as tombs by Khufu" I would say is understood to be highly inaccurate at this point by anyone outside of the Hawass circle. I never heard of that before. What is thought to be more accurate?
First of all, nobody knows who built them, how they were built, nor why they were built. We only have vague guesses at this point.
No bodies were ever found in any of the Pyramids on the Giza plateau - and despite the Egyptians documenting everything, there are no claims by them that Khufu or anyone else in their documented history built the Pyramids. Pharaohs were buried in the Valley of the Kings.
Re: Egyptologists uncover rare tombs from before the Pharaohs
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The official narrative that we were all taught in school of "Pyramids were built 4500 years ago as tombs by Khufu" I would say is understood to be highly inaccurate at this point by anyone outside of the Hawass circle. I never heard of that before. What is thought to be more accurate?
First of all, nobody knows who built them, how they were built, nor why they were built. We only have vague guesses at this point. No bodies were ever found in any of the Pyramids on the Giza plateau - and despite the Egyptians documenting everything, there are no claims by them that Khufu or anyone else in their documented history built the Pyramids. Pharaohs were buried in the Valley of the Kings. https://en.wikipe…
Uh, the Valley of the Kings was only actively used for a comparatively short period throughout Egypt's entire history. What does it have to do with this? What do you think Egyptians did with their kings before the Valley of the Kings was established and after it ceased to be used?
> First of all, nobody knows who built them, how they were built, nor why they were built.
> and despite the Egyptians documenting everything, there are no claims by them that Khufu or anyone else in their documented history built the Pyramids.
https://www.livescience.com/55439-ancient-logbook-on-great-p...
> Over a period of several months, [the logbook] reports — in [the] form of a timetable with two columns per day — many operations related to the construction of the Great Pyramid of Khufu at Giza and the work at the limestone quarries on the opposite bank of the Nile
I guess this Merer guy is one of those you were looking for.
Re: Egyptologists uncover rare tombs from before the Pharaohs
#38Just don't open them. It would be another bingo for 2021.
Re: Egyptologists uncover rare tombs from before the Pharaohs
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
First of all, nobody knows who built them, how they were built, nor why they were built. We only have vague guesses at this point. No bodies were ever found in any of the Pyramids on the Giza plateau - and despite the Egyptians documenting everything, there are no claims by them that Khufu or anyone else in their documented history built the Pyramids. Pharaohs were buried in the Valley of the Kings. https://en.wikipe…
Uh, the Valley of the Kings was only actively used for a comparatively short period throughout Egypt's entire history. What does it have to do with this? What do you think Egyptians did with their kings before the Valley of the Kings was established and after it ceased to be used? > First of all, nobody knows who built them, how they were built, nor why they were built. > and despite the Egyptians documenting everyth…
1) There are hundreds of Pyramids in that area. To my understanding no bodies were found in any of them.
2) Gold and copper are the metals available during Khufu's reign. Is it reasonable to you that copper (or even Iron) was used to cut granite?
3) 2.5 Million blocks were used in the construction of the Great Pyramid. Weight of blocks range from 1-10 tons each.
4) The granite for the "King's Chamber" was brought 934km to Giza from Aswan
5) A 20 year construction timeline as claimed would mean a block would have to be cut from the quarry, moved to location, and placed in the correct spot every 4 minutes with construction running 24 hours a day 7 days a week without stopping.
Is it not more reasonable to conclude Khufu simply performed maintenance on the outer casings? A 20 year project with a 200 men crew to polish outer casings seems about right to me.
Re: Egyptologists uncover rare tombs from before the Pharaohs
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Uh, the Valley of the Kings was only actively used for a comparatively short period throughout Egypt's entire history. What does it have to do with this? What do you think Egyptians did with their kings before the Valley of the Kings was established and after it ceased to be used? > First of all, nobody knows who built them, how they were built, nor why they were built. > and despite the Egyptians documenting everyth…
1) There are hundreds of Pyramids in that area. To my understanding no bodies were found in any of them. 2) Gold and copper are the metals available during Khufu's reign. Is it reasonable to you that copper (or even Iron) was used to cut granite? 3) 2.5 Million blocks were used in the construction of the Great Pyramid. Weight of blocks range from 1-10 tons each. 4) The granite for the "King's Chamber" was brought 934…
I'm beginning to get serious crackpot vibes from your comments. Why is it surprising that looted tombs after thousands of years don't contain bodies? (Even though for example the presumed mummy of Djedkare Isesi was found in his pyramid, so "no bodies were found in any of them" is simply a lie.) What has gold and copper have to do with working hard stones? What is it with the Great Pyramid blocks? They are far from the largest blocks manipulated in prehistory.
> Is it not more reasonable to conclude Khufu simply performed maintenance on the outer casings?
No, it's not.
> A 20 year project with a 200 men crew to polish outer casings seems about right to me.
Nobody claims the pyramids were built by 200 people. Egypt had a population of over a million at the time, with a few hundred thousand of that population being seasonally bored farmers available for construction projects.