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Google is saving $1B per year as a result of employees working from home

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Re: Google is saving $1B per year as a result of employees working from home

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Google may save $1B this year on the P&L, but I can assure you that a large cohort of employees are vastly less effective (especially parents!). Time will tell how wfh pans out in terms of long-term enterprise value creation, after confounding variables (i.e. COVID) are removed. Source: A lot of my Googler friends are itching to get back into the office -- whether parents or people whose social lives centered around…

I'm a parent, who does WFH, and definitely disagree about the preferability of office work. Sure my kids will occasionally pop their heads in the door to say hello. I guess that's an occasional distraction, which has some small productivity cost. You know what hurts productivity more? The soul-crushing experience of missing out on watching your kids grow up because you're spending all day in an office or commuting. I…

As a parent my workday has shifted to be 8 am to 6:30 pm and lots of people complain about that kind of shift, but I see that as a plus.

I used to be out of the house from 7:30 am to ~6:30 pm depending on commute, so it wasn't like that my time anyway. Now I'm working a slightly longer day, because during it I'm taking an hour to make my kids lunch, an hour to interact with them in the afternoon, some random downtime here and there when they pop their heads in, etc.

As schools reopen my plan is to basically just to set my core working hours to the schoolday which is going to be at 8:15 am to 3:30 pm and then I'll log a bit more in the evening if needed. We normally have the kids do some reading before bed to start winding them down and I can easily sit there with my laptop while the kids read. so many of the other parents I've seen struggle are the ones that rigidly stick to 9 to 5 vs a concept of "I should do about ~8 hours of work today". Those are the ones that really seem the most vocal about wanting the office back. Which honestly if that is what they want, that's fine. They can be the office crew and have the commute, pay for childcare, etc. I'm not looking to get back on that grind though.

I do feel bad for parents were both parents are constantly on Zoom. We're lucky in that we were able to rig it so all my meetings at AM meetings and my spouse has PM meeting, so we can have an on call parent most of the time. For families were both parents work sales, this probably sucks. Although I've seen some people in sales do enterprising things like setup little pods of rotating babysitting so they can just not schedule calls during their day to watch all the kids in the pod (do their reports or whatever).

I think going forward two things I'll advocate for at work is flexibility during summer hours and for parents with kids too young to be handed a Redwall novel and told to read quietly for a bit. Both are forms of investing your employees as short term thing for long term benefit since after all eventually the children get older (or you at least end up with a more mature child that can do tier 0 support duties and escalate to mom or dad when needed).

Re: Google is saving $1B per year as a result of employees working from home

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post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about office perks, maintenance of space, renovation, staff, commuter credits, office events, snacks, lunches, dinner, equipment, secretaries, and security?

They've been paying rent on their offices the whole time. If they went permanent WFH they could sell/lease those spaces and probably save billions. Not to mention the cost all the employees have to endure for traveling to work, wear on vehicles, gas, repairs, collisions, insurance, medical payouts due to car accidents, etc. Plus just generally the externalities of higher carbon emissions.

This assumes the presence of enough office demand to replace a Google sized company in the markets they lease in. It’s not clear that this is true.

US vacancies are projected to be 19.4% nationally. On top of that, there isn’t exactly another Google-sized employer waiting in the wings over in Mountain View.

Re: Google is saving $1B per year as a result of employees working from home

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post #10

There's a lot of employee travel at big companies. Many times of the year you can hardly book a hotel room around Mountain View/Sunnyvale/Palo Alto. I think the pandemic has shown how non-essential a lot of that really was.

That logic is flawed, I think. It is fairly easy to see why.

Gyms have been closed for many months, but that doesn't seem to imply that exercising is not important.

Re: Google is saving $1B per year as a result of employees working from home

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post #4

Google may save $1B this year on the P&L, but I can assure you that a large cohort of employees are vastly less effective (especially parents!). Time will tell how wfh pans out in terms of long-term enterprise value creation, after confounding variables (i.e. COVID) are removed. Source: A lot of my Googler friends are itching to get back into the office -- whether parents or people whose social lives centered around…

I'm a parent, who does WFH, and definitely disagree about the preferability of office work. Sure my kids will occasionally pop their heads in the door to say hello. I guess that's an occasional distraction, which has some small productivity cost. You know what hurts productivity more? The soul-crushing experience of missing out on watching your kids grow up because you're spending all day in an office or commuting. I…

We could just let people do whatever they wanted.

It is unclear why, having complained about being forced to work from the office, the set of employees happy to work from now think imposing their preferences on everybody else is supposed to be better for everyone.

Re: Google is saving $1B per year as a result of employees working from home

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A lot of people bring up the issue of commuting, which I think is a bit thorny. Here's a quote from one of the comments below: > I feel vastly more productive with not spending 2-3 hours every day commuting Your commute is not your company's business. They might try to make it easier by implementing shuttles and flexible work schedules, but at the end of the day you signed up for this commute. If you work for Google,…

> I have reclaimed 2-3 hours from my time that was previously allocated to earning my paycheck, and I now redirect it towards other activities. Those activities range anywhere from 0-100% on the scale of how relevant they are to me being a better employee.

In my case it's more like 2 hours saved, give or take.

50% of that benefits my employer because I'm a morning person and I'm not wasting one of my good hours commuting.

25% I tend to use on another half hour of sleep, being well rested is obviously good for my employer.

The remaining 25% is a lot harder to link directly, but it's generally gone into exercise and cooking that make me healthier.

> So in other words, you thought that the extra time it takes to earn the Google check was worth it.

There's nothing google specific about this, if you don't work there you'd likely be working somewhere else that didn't allow WFH.

> Why bring it up now?

Because for most of us it's the first time we've experienced the benefits of WFH.

Re: Google is saving $1B per year as a result of employees working from home

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post #4

Google may save $1B this year on the P&L, but I can assure you that a large cohort of employees are vastly less effective (especially parents!). Time will tell how wfh pans out in terms of long-term enterprise value creation, after confounding variables (i.e. COVID) are removed. Source: A lot of my Googler friends are itching to get back into the office -- whether parents or people whose social lives centered around…

> (especially parents!)

Riiiiight... Kids are often not as big a distraction as the immature coworker(s) who can't be bothered to, you know, shut up and actually work.

Re: Google is saving $1B per year as a result of employees working from home

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post #81

Google is saving $1 billion per year because of COVID-19, not because employees are working from home. This is literally mentioned in the article, but the headline is twisted (for clicks no doubt): > During the first quarter, Google parent Alphabet Inc. saved $268 million in expenses from company promotions, travel and entertainment, compared with the same period a year earlier, “primarily as a result of COVID-19,” a…

Like one expense they saved on is sending out recruiters and engineers to likely thousands of career fairs, recruiting sessions, etc. Nobody would reasonably argue that skipping all of them is a sustainable strategy long term even if it hasn't hurt them much so far.

Re: Google is saving $1B per year as a result of employees working from home

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post #115

A lot of people bring up the issue of commuting, which I think is a bit thorny. Here's a quote from one of the comments below: > I feel vastly more productive with not spending 2-3 hours every day commuting Your commute is not your company's business. They might try to make it easier by implementing shuttles and flexible work schedules, but at the end of the day you signed up for this commute. If you work for Google,…

> I have reclaimed 2-3 hours from my time that was previously allocated to earning my paycheck, and I now redirect it towards other activities. Those activities range anywhere from 0-100% on the scale of how relevant they are to me being a better employee. In my case it's more like 2 hours saved, give or take. 50% of that benefits my employer because I'm a morning person and I'm not wasting one of my good hours commu…

Fair response. Can we agree that not everyone gives an hour back to their employer? Or, to go a step further... can we agree that some WFH people give less of their time to their employer relative to their previous in-office time? I doubt that those people will respond here, so any anecdotal evidence is just that - anecdotal. The fact that Google is not continuing with WFH must imply that their leadership's sense is that WFH is not helping them.
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