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Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by 219b2d67-b38e »

asenna wrote: post #28

I've always wanted to ask the HN community about this problem, what exactly can be done from a technology standpoint? I feel we're already at a point where tools are available to make a censorship resistant social network. The main challenges would be: - Kickstarting a network is a difficult problem - A way to ensure sane content moderation (child porn / abuse, etc) while still keeping the decision-making decentraliz…

>A way to ensure sane content moderation (child porn / abuse, etc) while still keeping the decision-making decentralized enough - Easy enough for the first time mobile internet users to onboard

You can't.

It's like asking for a printing press that does not allow heresy. The technology is content neutral and any society that does not use it to its full potential will be buried by it.

We can have the same tired discussion that evidence of a crime, e.g. photographs and videos of child rape are not a crime any more than photographs and videos of murder are, but as a society we have decided this is not the case. As such Anglophone civilization in its current guise will not the be society that harnesses distributed digital media to its true potential.

Anyone trying to do this will have the predictable result of getting burned at the stake. Keep in mind that you have the potential for ridiculous profits because of centralization. So enjoy the ride and have an exit strategy.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by baybal2 »

ddalex wrote: post #142
TheBill wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go to a praxair in the states and ask what the difference is: tested to 5x9's and loaded into a vacuum pulled bottle. ANY O2 at pressure is suitable to for human consumption at the surface because ANY impurities that are actually harmful would explode at 200 bar. Anything else (say from a PSA nitrox generator) would only be things like Argon. Ad hoc O2 is better than no O2.

You can't breathe in industrial Oxygen. At least, you need a humidifier cycle in between or it's going to dry out your lungs.

The simplest bubbler solves this issue.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by moduspol »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #147
moduspol wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people believe flat earth theories. It's still unreasonable to paint that as a widely held belief of those who disagree with you.

Fact is, the theories are widely held. And in a democracy, that goes a long way.

What theories? And how widely?

Huge groups of people are being generalized as equivalent to people who genuinely believe COVID-19 isn't real. It makes reasoned discourse impossible.

Though I don't think I'm letting the cat out of the bag here.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by ceejayoz »

hajile wrote: post #95
ceejayoz wrote: post #35

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> I believe that's the line. I believe you're misrepresenting the line. Free speech in the US is about being protected from government -inflicted consequences. I can say "fuck you" all I like, but that's never meant I can say it to my boss and demand a First Amendment right to remain employed. It's never been an absolute, either. Incitement to riot, fraud, libel, actionable threats; all are speech, but we've long acc…

When I was younger, the Left was pro free speech and against big corporations and corporate censorship. Now I'm a bit older and the Right is pro free speech and against big corporations and corporate censorship. It seems that the big factor is power. When you're in power, you use any excuse to silence the people who disagree. When you're not in power, you recognize that free speech is a universal principle. The major…

> The majority of the US is anti-abortion. Would you be fine if they cancelled the other side? Huge swaths are anti-gay. Should coming out mean people are free to cancel you? While the number of churchgoers is around half, the number of Christians in the US is well over 75%. Should claiming to be another religion (or no religion) mean that cancellation is in order?

Why are these portrayed as hypotheticals?

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by dillondoyle »

fareesh wrote: post #149

The way these companies openly engage in politically biased publishing and selective enforcement in the USA made this kind of thing inevitable. During this past election the New York Post was banned because of a story that painted candidate Biden's son in a poor light, and nearly everyone who works in these companies wanted candidate Biden to win so they used their positions to protect his image, knowing that there w…

I don't think this take is totally fair, it doesn't include a lot of context.

For sure it's a real discussion to have but I think only should be debated with the full context.

First FB didn't totally block it was still shared over 600k times and they said they were not promoting in the feed until their fact check process proceeded.

The specific reason Twitter cited for an actual block was their policy on hacked source material. Which in itself is kind of BS on its face I agree with you there, no one stoped Snowden. Compromising news is still news, even if the source material was stolen some of the best reporting ever is from 'stolen' source material.

But the source material couldn't be independently verified and the Post seemed to treat it as direct source fact even though at best it's 2nd hand hearsay through Guiliani, at worst through some spy agency.

Important context here is the impact of the Podesta emails originally reported to possibly have false or edited material, though in the future Senate report said unlikely. Being more careful is understandable and I think laudable.

These are important nuances in reporting from more legit access to verifiable direct sources versus a more opinion style non-factual piece from the NyPost.

There is also the political context of known and ongoing direct attacks on our Democracy and foreign nation state interference.

The origin story of the laptop is suspect at a minimum and I can understand caution. again not verifiable. especially given all the attacks and degradation of Democratic norms and wanting to not repeat the same mistakes as Clinton which undeniably had very big important impacts long term, whether you think good or bad.

Maybe they should have included that argument in their reasoning since it seems it probably had a big impact on their decision. Maybe they were given some tip offs from the FBI who knows. We might find out soon about Guilini's part in this, the actual 'russiagate' of direct cooperation with foreign government to undermine the election.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by fareesh »

dillondoyle wrote: post #155
fareesh wrote: post #149

The way these companies openly engage in politically biased publishing and selective enforcement in the USA made this kind of thing inevitable. During this past election the New York Post was banned because of a story that painted candidate Biden's son in a poor light, and nearly everyone who works in these companies wanted candidate Biden to win so they used their positions to protect his image, knowing that there w…

I don't think this take is totally fair, it doesn't include a lot of context. For sure it's a real discussion to have but I think only should be debated with the full context. First FB didn't totally block it was still shared over 600k times and they said they were not promoting in the feed until their fact check process proceeded. The specific reason Twitter cited for an actual block was their policy on hacked sourc…

I don't accept the premise that the enforcement is done in good faith to begin with - there's no reason to. A bad faith actor can use a weak justification to selectively enforce the independently verifiable rule whenever they feel like it.

The guy who made the decision, spent 10 years working for John Kerry, Barbara Boxer and the Democratic party prior to his role at Facebook. Why should the USA policy director be magically different from the India one? They both engaged in politically biased selective enforcement, yet you want me to give him the benefit of the doubt. I will not. There is no reason to. Why do these companies allow 10 year political veterans to take these positions?

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Post by selimthegrim »

saas_sam wrote: post #143
OJFord wrote: post #104

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That made me naïvely curious about 'Aladdin'; yep: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A1_%D... Seems unrelated to Hindi (via Sanskrit) दिन 'din' meaning 'day' though. (Not that I expected it because 'day' and 'religious' are similar in meaning, just curious because there is overlap, and borrowed terms (well, with Persian, but those in turn often derived or cognate with Arabic, at least in my idly…

It makes me think of "dan" too as in the Tribe of Dan in the Bible. Dan = judge. Daniel = god (el) judges me. The Tribe of Dan supposedly spread out and, some say, seeded other civilizations up the Dan-ube river up into Dan-mark. For real.

Wait until you hear about Ta-Allah-hassee.

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Post by nine_k »

dalbasal wrote: post #144
MattGaiser wrote: post #88

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> I don't know why twitter does this. A reality of scaring social media companies with regulatory threats. People call for regulation and unsurprisingly their priority becomes keeping those who might regulate them happy with them.

>>unsurprisingly their priority becomes keeping those who might regulate them happy. Unsurprising, and not necessarily unwanted. IDK if you mean people or politicians by "they," but (in a democracy) they're the ones who make rules. Whether it's mandating access, limiting access, moderating, censoring, allowing freedom of speech or just mandating that stated policies are followed consistently... I think social media i…

Companies who run social media sites are not in a position to be journalists, or even editors. They are mostly moderators, trying to navigate around regulatory rocks and PR disaster storms. I suppose they would happily not curb any speech, just because it increases engagement (and with it, ad revenues).

Actual journalists, that is, people reporting things, are those who have to demonstrate the ethos. But in social media, the people who white the posts are the users, in other words, ourselves.

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Post by baybal2 »

throwawayboise wrote: post #111
baybal2 wrote: post #98

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Do you guys still need oxygen there? How is the situation there really? I called a few of my contacts, and get very diverging pictures. No interruptions in Kochi, to some stress in Hyderabad, Chennai, Bengaluru, to total apocalypse in Noida. I see oxygen production being such a basic industrial process, that I never could've imagined even a most poorly industrialised country having troubles producing it. It's tragic…

You mention "poorly industrialised country" and then go on to list at least hundreds of dollars worth of equipment and supplies and access to a 200A 220V electrical service. A poor household in India has easy access to none of these resources.

Cheapest 200A welder costs like $30-$40 dollars in India.

200A service... , can't say how it's now, but even like 20 years ago, 100A was omnipresent in larger cities. Even with just few kilowatts you should still be easily producing above a kilogram per hour.

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Post by Black101 »

hkt wrote: post #36
lindy2021 wrote: post #31

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This is on Biden's watch. Trump was berated for even contemplating deploying the National Guard as American cities burnt last summer.

A comparison between BLM protests and precautions against the storming of the federal legislature by people who sincerely believed the election was "stolen" is infantile and skewed in the extreme.

The democrats learnt a lesson in 2000...
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