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Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by snowwrestler »

rovek wrote: post #54
vmception wrote: post #3

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Agreed. They could probably monetize that better than hardware sales too, most likely via Apple Wallet payments and data. And the whole blue/green bubble pretentiousness would have never happened, which is funny because so many Android users still have no idea that's even happening to them or just assume they don't need to care about anybody that cares about that. (protip: its affecting your life and relationships)

> And the whole blue/green bubble pretentiousness Honestly, reading the rest of the comments in this thread to this effect, it's terrifying that the runaway success of a single company can so degrade the fabric of personal relationships this way. The only people I've met who use iMessage have been Americans and the Americans I've met that live in the UK use WhatsApp or Messenger as their primary local comms, though f…

The blue/green thing matters mostly to young folks, who are constantly on the lookout for signals of social distinctions. If it wasn’t chat bubbles, it would be something else.

This isn’t derogatory; it’s literally how the human brain develops. Everyone goes through this phase. It’s not something that Apple created.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by threeseed »

tw04 wrote: post #123
jbigelow76 wrote: post #117

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We're an iPhone family, but damn is that lame. How about: make the best product. Don't coerce people into buying an iPhone. But iMessage isn't the product, it's a feature of the product. They think by not letting those features be available on other platforms they are creating the best product. You can't make the best product while simultaneously commoditizing your differentiators.

They are repeating RIM's mistakes. It fascinates me they haven't actually jumped on the services train, they just started charging a monthly fee for the walled garden while still focusing on selling product and called it a services play.

Apple's services includes AppleTV+, Apple Music, Apple Fitness+, Apple News+, Apple Podcasts+, iCloud Storage.

And it represents 20% of Apple's revenue so pretty sure this "they haven't actually jumped on the services train" comment is just a little off.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by threeseed »

slfnflctd wrote: post #42
ibero wrote: post #38

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i honestly don’t remember what period of time you are referring to. could you elaborate on examples from the period of time iOS was “fraught with very unexpected failure modes?” edit: i just saw your edit to specify iMessage the app.

I'm referring to iMessage specifically causing tons of unnecessary problems when switching from an iPhone to an Android phone. This was over 5 years ago so I have no idea what's fixed or isn't now, but I do still occasionally have problems when an iPhone user tries to message me as part of a group. These were all intermittent: Messages were lost or delayed for very long periods (going both ways), groups were complete…

That thread is from 8 years ago. And you're talking about issues from 5 years ago.

I really don't understand why you think it's relevant today.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by indymike »

kevincox wrote: post #84
alberth wrote: post #4

Reminds me of BBM (blackberry messenger). Only available on their hardware.

I mean the logic is obvious. If you are popular enough you want to keep the platform exclusive. If you aren't then it makes sense to go multi-platform. BlackBerry thought their platform was strong enough and BBM would pull everyone else in. They were of course wrong. It seems like Apple is strong enough to keep iMessage useful even if it is platform limited, and surely some people are buying iPhones for the status-sy…

Funny Blackberry story. The .jobs top level domain was launched around the time RIM was really struggling. .jobs was one of the first gtlds that wasn't .net, .com or .edu. The management team at RIM wanted a .jobs domain for their career website. They didn't buy "Blackberry dot jobs" they bought... the other one. The company I worked for provided career website software. The meeting where we tried to explain why RIM and .jobs was a bad idea was a classic.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by Valkhyr »

majjam wrote: post #131
js2 wrote: post #116

> I am concerned [that] iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones. We're an iPhone family, but damn is that lame. How about: make the best product. Don't coerce people into buying an iPhone. It drives me crazy how fractured messaging has become. Here's a recent example. My non-technical aunt tried to send a group iMessage to my wife and me. For me…

Would you mind elaborating on why Signal was sub-par? I use it as my main messenger and find it to be fine. There have been issues where older clients couldn’t receive messages and needed to upgrade their phones to fix. And migrating to a new phone is fragile, but everyday messaging seems ok to me. Edit: honestly the challenge is getting other people to install it

Can't speak for the poster you are responding to, but as someone who also uses Signal for a portion of my social circle, here's my big one: Signal is tied to a phone number, so I can't use it from multiple devices/platforms (unless I want to show up as a different entity from each of them).

This alone is the reason why I personally would not freely choose Signal, and only use it because some of my friends insist :-\

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by temp667 »

tw04 wrote: post #123
jbigelow76 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're an iPhone family, but damn is that lame. How about: make the best product. Don't coerce people into buying an iPhone. But iMessage isn't the product, it's a feature of the product. They think by not letting those features be available on other platforms they are creating the best product. You can't make the best product while simultaneously commoditizing your differentiators.

They are repeating RIM's mistakes. It fascinates me they haven't actually jumped on the services train, they just started charging a monthly fee for the walled garden while still focusing on selling product and called it a services play.

I totally agree with this. iMessage as a stand alone business would be super valuable. WhatsApp is valuable because so many people use it. Chase the network effect or it will crush you.

Worst cast make people pay for some apple services to get iMessage if you really want to. They really are repeating RIM's mistake here.

iMessage would be trusted, largely spam free, etc.

My wife is now on Google Duo because it IS cross platform. WhatsApp and Telegram as well. These messaging networks are natural monopolies. So now I am on Duo etc. I just wish her parents could have installed iMessage on their phones - then apple could have charged us all $5/month for some type of family (10 person) plan.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by js2 »

majjam wrote: post #131
js2 wrote: post #116

> I am concerned [that] iMessage on Android would simply serve to remove an obstacle to iPhone families giving their kids Android phones. We're an iPhone family, but damn is that lame. How about: make the best product. Don't coerce people into buying an iPhone. It drives me crazy how fractured messaging has become. Here's a recent example. My non-technical aunt tried to send a group iMessage to my wife and me. For me…

Would you mind elaborating on why Signal was sub-par? I use it as my main messenger and find it to be fine. There have been issues where older clients couldn’t receive messages and needed to upgrade their phones to fix. And migrating to a new phone is fragile, but everyday messaging seems ok to me. Edit: honestly the challenge is getting other people to install it

It's been a while. I should probably re-install it and give it a fresh chance. My recollection is that the UI was sluggish and that the app was poorly integrated with iOS (e.g. I don't think it had a sharing extension).

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by temp667 »

donarb wrote: post #53

I find it ironic in a lawsuit over Apple's supposed dominance, that Epic is claiming that executives shot down a plan that as Cue puts it "that iMessage should expand to Android to cement Apple’s hold on messaging apps".

The truth is at the time iMessage would have DOMINATED.

End to end encryption. Proper MMS. Etc.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by ubercore »

kop316 wrote: post #92
prepend wrote: post #91

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And you likely miss a ton of group chats where there are no android (or Pinephone) users because you’ve been excluded because group chats don’t work fine.

....what? I am honestly having trouble parsing your meaning. My family mostly has iPhones, and we have several group chats with me in it on Group MMS. They work fine.

I've been silently dropped from group chats with iphone users. Never knew I was missing until they asked me in person.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by scubbo »

Valkhyr wrote: post #145
majjam wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you mind elaborating on why Signal was sub-par? I use it as my main messenger and find it to be fine. There have been issues where older clients couldn’t receive messages and needed to upgrade their phones to fix. And migrating to a new phone is fragile, but everyday messaging seems ok to me. Edit: honestly the challenge is getting other people to install it

Can't speak for the poster you are responding to, but as someone who also uses Signal for a portion of my social circle, here's my big one: Signal is tied to a phone number, so I can't use it from multiple devices/platforms (unless I want to show up as a different entity from each of them). This alone is the reason why I personally would not freely choose Signal, and only use it because some of my friends insist :-\

I have Signal installed on my laptop, and it works perfectly. Do you mean multiple mobile devices? I guess that's probably true, and I'm sorry to hear that that's a limitation for you. That said - isn't that limitation also true of every other major messaging application. I only know of SMS and WhatsApp - what alternative do you prefer?
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