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Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

#91

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I guess in America there is a lot of the same with some groups of people believing they can pray the virus away or that it simply doesn't exist and is part of some satanic cults agenda.

Seems like a very caricaturish characterization of what people actually believe. That sort of broad contempt and unwillingness to understand the range of perspectives on the issues besides the "official" (read: oligarchic) narrative is unfortunate.

Some people definitely believe stuff like that, and it's not even only uneducated people. My mother-in-law went to the doctor for an annual checkup, and the doctor told her that it's pointless to get the vaccine because covid is man-made, and whoever created it will just release a new variant that is immune to the vaccine. Luckily my wife convinced her otherwise.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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The media control and censorship here in India is definitely getting our of hand! Setting aside the absolute criminal mismanagement and planning of the Covid situation in the past few months, the fact that the people in power are still applying their brains and might into figuring out how to manipulate the narrative and how to squash dissent in this moment when the country is going through an unimaginable disaster. J…

I don’t understand what Modi is doing. It seems like many huge companies based in the west will be looking to leave China (as much as possible) in the next 5ish years and India is a democracy perfectly situated to grab all of that economic productivity. They have the education, the infrastructure, and the population. All they have to do is be a bit less dictator-y than China and a bit more respectful of human rights.…

It is better to be a consumer than a west leaning producer. One would never advance when the primary market is outside the country.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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The media control and censorship here in India is definitely getting our of hand! Setting aside the absolute criminal mismanagement and planning of the Covid situation in the past few months, the fact that the people in power are still applying their brains and might into figuring out how to manipulate the narrative and how to squash dissent in this moment when the country is going through an unimaginable disaster. J…

I don’t understand what Modi is doing. It seems like many huge companies based in the west will be looking to leave China (as much as possible) in the next 5ish years and India is a democracy perfectly situated to grab all of that economic productivity. They have the education, the infrastructure, and the population. All they have to do is be a bit less dictator-y than China and a bit more respectful of human rights.…

Many Indian politicians learned the exact opposite lesson from the 90s to 2000s when China's economy far outgrew India's despite the supposed geographical, labor, and education similarities between the two (i.e. see the debate from a western perspective in [1][2][3]).

The idea that democracy and free markets help with economic growth simply didn't pan out for India w.r.t. its neighbor and biggest rival. As far as Modi is concerned, why keep trying something that doesn't work? Especially when the alternative is self serving.

[1] https://foreignpolicy.com/2003/07/01/can-india-overtake-chin...

[2] https://foreignpolicy.com/2009/10/06/india-plays-catch-up/

[3] https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/07/05/think-again-indias-rise...

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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The media control and censorship here in India is definitely getting our of hand! Setting aside the absolute criminal mismanagement and planning of the Covid situation in the past few months, the fact that the people in power are still applying their brains and might into figuring out how to manipulate the narrative and how to squash dissent in this moment when the country is going through an unimaginable disaster. J…

I don’t understand what Modi is doing. It seems like many huge companies based in the west will be looking to leave China (as much as possible) in the next 5ish years and India is a democracy perfectly situated to grab all of that economic productivity. They have the education, the infrastructure, and the population. All they have to do is be a bit less dictator-y than China and a bit more respectful of human rights.…

>I don’t understand what Modi is doing.

I assure you, neither does he.

Not a particularly intellectual or introspective man. He is a living example of the Peter Principle.

Too bad a billion people have to suffer for his incompetence.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Shocking. What do the pro censorship people say all the time when defending Facebook or Twitter: speech is free but not free from consequences. I believe that's the line.

> I believe that's the line. I believe you're misrepresenting the line. Free speech in the US is about being protected from government -inflicted consequences. I can say "fuck you" all I like, but that's never meant I can say it to my boss and demand a First Amendment right to remain employed. It's never been an absolute, either. Incitement to riot, fraud, libel, actionable threats; all are speech, but we've long acc…

When I was younger, the Left was pro free speech and against big corporations and corporate censorship. Now I'm a bit older and the Right is pro free speech and against big corporations and corporate censorship.

It seems that the big factor is power. When you're in power, you use any excuse to silence the people who disagree. When you're not in power, you recognize that free speech is a universal principle.

The majority of the US is anti-abortion. Would you be fine if they cancelled the other side? Huge swaths are anti-gay. Should coming out mean people are free to cancel you? While the number of churchgoers is around half, the number of Christians in the US is well over 75%. Should claiming to be another religion (or no religion) mean that cancellation is in order?

Once everyone agrees that persecution is acceptable, all that's left is arguing about who to persecute.

The government is by the people and for the people. It reflects the values of the people. You claim that free speech is government only, but why does the government create ideas like hate speech then? Why force private people and businesses to desegregate if your inalienable rights only apply to the government? If rights are inherent in humans, but may be stripped at a whim by the majority, either they aren't actually rights or the pro-cancellation majority are actually despots.

The pro-cancellation argument is all sophistry to gain and increase power.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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post #57

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There are no versions of truth. Those are called opinions if there can be more than one.

There are very much different versions of the truth; even at a fundamental level. Do you know what a reference frame in Physics is?

seer and seen are described from the vedic times. there is a third element called the enabler.

person, box, light all are required for the person to declare there is a box. I dont see a box is an observation which is correct for a visually challenged person or person in the dark. they dont become truth.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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post #95

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> I believe that's the line. I believe you're misrepresenting the line. Free speech in the US is about being protected from government -inflicted consequences. I can say "fuck you" all I like, but that's never meant I can say it to my boss and demand a First Amendment right to remain employed. It's never been an absolute, either. Incitement to riot, fraud, libel, actionable threats; all are speech, but we've long acc…

When I was younger, the Left was pro free speech and against big corporations and corporate censorship. Now I'm a bit older and the Right is pro free speech and against big corporations and corporate censorship. It seems that the big factor is power. When you're in power, you use any excuse to silence the people who disagree. When you're not in power, you recognize that free speech is a universal principle. The major…

> When I was younger, the Left was pro free speech and against big corporations and corporate censorship.

> Now I'm a bit older and the Right is pro free speech and against big corporations and corporate censorship.

I'm not sure when you were talking about; since at least the 1980s the positions have been basically identical—to today, both sides complaining of institutional biases cutting against them (often both accurately, though selectively), both sides claiming support for free speech but disagreeing that what the other side advocated for was genuine freedom. The big change is that the Right recently adopted the phrase “cancel culture” after nearly 4 decades of using “political correctness” in exactly the same arguments.

Sounds more likely that as you’ve gotten older you’ve just gained more sympathy for the right and thus have given more credit to their claims of support for free speech than you used to.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Indian Government recently made Twitter do similar things. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/twitter-under-... Do you know what's worst? A guy was booked yesterday for Tweeting he needed oxygen cylinders which according to a state government is spreading fake news. https://thewire.in/government/amethi-up-police-arfa-khanum-s... While COVID hasn't been kind to the people of India, The current regime's atte…

Do you guys still need oxygen there? How is the situation there really? I called a few of my contacts, and get very diverging pictures. No interruptions in Kochi, to some stress in Hyderabad, Chennai, Bengaluru, to total apocalypse in Noida.

I see oxygen production being such a basic industrial process, that I never could've imagined even a most poorly industrialised country having troubles producing it. It's tragic seeing the lack of something so seemingly trivial costing so many people's lives.

Anyways, if anyone really need a really emergency only O2 source:

1. Get a 200A-300A DC welding machine, most importantly with as much safety features as possible.

2. Reasonably fine stainless steel mesh, use most pure stainless you can find. Carbon felt if possible. Roll up in tubes. Weld/braze thick copper conductors the top, make sure they can handle the current without melting things. Make sure to cover exposed copper with something less electrically conductive, in worst case, smoking hot cooking oil. Make sure it does not get onto stainless.

3. Either a U or H shaped vessel from PP or PVC piping, available at plumbing supplies. Alternative, a plastic bucket, and two drinking water bottles perforated a bit in their lower part. Put electrodes into them.

4. Find something to cap vessels, use original caps from bottles. Make holes in them for conductors. Then find hoses you can get through those caps. Use reasonably thick plastic hose to survive hot O2. A proper oxygen hose would be idea. Drill the caps, get hoses through them, and seal any openings with hot glue, silicone caulk, or, in worst case, chewing gum. If you can't find anything to seal it, use the thickest plastic bag you can find, and tape it.

5. Make some semblance of bubblers. Small plastic beverage bottles work well for this.

6. Fill with drinking water, or settled tap water. Make sure there is no chlorine in it. Make sure that water does not reach copper parts, even if they are well protected.

7. Add a table spoon of lye, or soda to water. Mix.

8. Connect electrodes to welding machine.

9. Test it starting with smallest current.

10. If things work, connect hoses to bubblers. Make sure the hydrogen hose goes outdoor, to a very, very well ventilated place.

11. Make some semblance of a breathing mask for the apparatus. Connect it to oxygen supply through a breathing bag. Make some holes in the breathing bag. Eye the calculation so that incoming oxygen displaces at least 10 times the volume of exhaled CO2.

12. Top off water as the thing works using something to protect yourself from being zapped.

13. Adjust the current, holes in the breathing bag, lye/soda content, and bottle position (if used the bottle version) for optimal output.

14. Replace water if it gets too muddy from dissolving impurities from anode, or anything else in the system. It it does, think of finding other materials.

With 200A 220V supply, you can make 1-3 kg of oxygen per hour, 4-5 kg in the most ideal scenario.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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COVID is a catastrophe in India because the government's core is religious extremism and other forms of bigotry, and those have driven its response, including cabinet members promoting folk remedies above vaccines and encouraging large religious gatherings (including an upcoming one).

What is "religious extremism"? That term always struck me as odd. Either the truth claims of a religion are true, somewhat true, or false. If they're true (read: have sufficiently good reasons to believe them), then it's not extreme to live in accordance with them. In fact, it is arguably insane not to live in accordance with them. Imagine if someone said "Oh, I believe things fall to the ground when dropped, but I'm…

I don’t think extremism is about whether the claim is true or not. It’s about what the claim is. If you’re a gravity extremist, it would suggest that your views on gravity are very different from what’s considered mainstream.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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post #95

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> I believe that's the line. I believe you're misrepresenting the line. Free speech in the US is about being protected from government -inflicted consequences. I can say "fuck you" all I like, but that's never meant I can say it to my boss and demand a First Amendment right to remain employed. It's never been an absolute, either. Incitement to riot, fraud, libel, actionable threats; all are speech, but we've long acc…

When I was younger, the Left was pro free speech and against big corporations and corporate censorship. Now I'm a bit older and the Right is pro free speech and against big corporations and corporate censorship. It seems that the big factor is power. When you're in power, you use any excuse to silence the people who disagree. When you're not in power, you recognize that free speech is a universal principle. The major…

>When I was younger, the Left was pro free speech and against big corporations and corporate censorship.

>Now I'm a bit older and the Right is pro free speech and against big corporations and corporate censorship.

100 percent. When I was growing up, the Christian Right wanted to pass anti-flag burning amendments, because veterans were offended. Pornography, because children might see it. Bad words. Unpatriotic stuff, defined as socialism or communism, was a few decades before me. Also to protect morality.

Today we ban so-called hate speech and X phobic speech because 'it hurts'. And in the same way, there's a religious zealotry where if you attempt to use reason you'll be psychoanalyzed and motives attributed.

My advice is, don't engage with these people. If someone uses phraseology like words kill, words are violence, silence is violence, there is no such thing as neutrality, megaphone, we need to do better, systemic Xism, and so forth, run, don't walk away. It's a secular religious movement.

My main problem is the secular religious movement of banishing naughty thoughts has taken Silicon Valley and Madison Avenue by storm.

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