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Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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How do NYs numbers compare to states other states, notably the southern ones that resisted lockdowns?

Notably, at the very beginning of the pandemic before lockdowns, COVID ravaged nursing and long-term care homes in the PNW and then in the northeast.

At the very beginning it was winter in the Northeast and treatment protocols were being development. Is it fair to even compare the virus that came into NY during Jan to a state where it came after 6 months of study, data and summer weather?

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Well, they tried to get rid of him with the "sex scandal" stuff and that didn't work. He was betting that the prestige press wouldn't bring up the nursing home deaths--since other governors have the same problem lurking--but he forced them to. They really, really don't want him in 2024. So goes the conspiracy thinking anyway.

The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up. His top aide, Melissa DeRosa, has admitted to covering up the nursing home deaths. People have come out saying he was intimidating them. He is under Federal investigation. What part of it is a conspiracy theory? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cuomo-top-aide-reportedly-... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cuomo-nursing-h…

> The nursing home scandal was known long before. The sex scandal seemed to be used to cover that up.

The opposite, I thought -- he seemed to be weathering the nursing home scandal, and now the sex scandal seems to be taking him down. Before his sexual behavior was publicized, people were joking/not joking that Andrew Cuomo was the poster child for our (Democrats') inability to hold anyone accountable for anything as long as they seemed woke and likable and said all the right things on cultural issues. Then his sexual behavior hit the news, and it was like, wow, is there anything metoo can't do? At least now Democrats nationally want him gone, though it's always harder to get a popular politician's own constituents to turn against him.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

#53

At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?

NPR has been talking about this since January or so. Not exactly a right wing propaganda outlet.

Howie Carr was talking about it around the same period as NPR. For folks outside of New England, he is a right wing radio host but he puts a spin on actual news rather than just making up garbage.

What credible source was talking about this before January?

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#54
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm quite intentionally trying to frame my post in a neutral way to avoid partisan assumptions/squabbles.

> Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Your questions above propose the idea of bias in the information delivery and reception, which inherently maps to political partisanship. What other sort of bias could your questions possibly evoke? Cuomo was exposed and has been condemned largely by officials within his own party, and also broadly by the media, whether left, rig…

I think what OP is getting at is that it's suspicious that this became a "mainstream" news story this year when it was known last year.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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How do NYs numbers compare to states other states, notably the southern ones that resisted lockdowns?

New York ends up being a problematic comparison point, because they were at zero restrictions until mid March 2020, so most of the infections through near the end of March were effectively a "no restrictions" test case. I.e. people testing positive late March were the highly symptomatic cases (because of limited test availability), so these were generally people infected 10+ days before, which means they were before any restrictions. Restrictions on mass gatherings happened on March 12th, but the stay-at-home order didn't happen until March 22nd.

What I'm getting at is that, if you want to use New York as a test comparison for loose vs tight restrictions, you're going to have a much deeper analysis to do, and a large portion of the deaths in New York were effectively resulting from a period when there were zero to minimal restrictions.

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the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

This was known in March-April, when he rammed through a bill to give himself emergency powers and one that indemnified nursing home operators -- his donor base.

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They gave him a fucking Emmy in November: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/1... And he published a fucking book in October: https://www.amazon.com/American-Crisis-Leadership-COVID-19-P... Broken doesn't even begin to describe it....

yes, unreal. Also all this took place when he received a multi million dollar advance for his book "American Crisis: Leadership Lessons from the COVID-19 Pandemic", and remember this crazy thing https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/arts/design/cuomo-covid-p... how is any of this real?!?!

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They gave him a fucking Emmy in November: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/1... And he published a fucking book in October: https://www.amazon.com/American-Crisis-Leadership-COVID-19-P... Broken doesn't even begin to describe it....

yes, unreal. Also all this took place when he received a multi million dollar advance for his book "American Crisis: Leadership Lessons from the COVID-19 Pandemic", and remember this crazy thing https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/arts/design/cuomo-covid-p... how is any of this real?!?!

I assume anyone left watching 24 hour news channels is not very adept at critical thinking.

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the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

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