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Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by SirYandi »

bobthechef wrote: post #40
rodgerd wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

COVID is a catastrophe in India because the government's core is religious extremism and other forms of bigotry, and those have driven its response, including cabinet members promoting folk remedies above vaccines and encouraging large religious gatherings (including an upcoming one).

What is "religious extremism"? That term always struck me as odd. Either the truth claims of a religion are true, somewhat true, or false. If they're true (read: have sufficiently good reasons to believe them), then it's not extreme to live in accordance with them. In fact, it is arguably insane not to live in accordance with them. Imagine if someone said "Oh, I believe things fall to the ground when dropped, but I'm…

I think it has something to do with one's tolerance of other people's version of truth.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by krapp »

hkt wrote: post #33
lindy2021 wrote: post #22

The entire world is heading in the direction of China at breakneck speed. The capitol of the free world is surrounded by steel mesh fencing with some 2,250 armed National Guard troops on duty. We can't expect developing countries to uphold democracy as it dies in the west.

The US just had a pretty good election. Democracy is alive and well.

The US should consider itself lucky that its well armed neo-nazi lunatic fringe and the Orange Man were better at racist shitposting than pulling off a coup d'état.

"Pretty good" sounds like a B, but I'd give this last election a C- at best.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by asenna »

lucasmullens wrote: post #39
asenna wrote: post #28

I've always wanted to ask the HN community about this problem, what exactly can be done from a technology standpoint? I feel we're already at a point where tools are available to make a censorship resistant social network. The main challenges would be: - Kickstarting a network is a difficult problem - A way to ensure sane content moderation (child porn / abuse, etc) while still keeping the decision-making decentraliz…

I think Mastodon might be similar to what you're describing?

Yeah I've heard about it and will be looking into this. But I haven't actually ever seen it in the wild anywhere online which makes me wonder why it hasn't gained traction much.

For a country like India, the solution needs to be dead simple. Exploring a mastadon server a bit, it doesn't feel like it would cut it.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by elliekelly »

asenna wrote: post #5

The media control and censorship here in India is definitely getting our of hand! Setting aside the absolute criminal mismanagement and planning of the Covid situation in the past few months, the fact that the people in power are still applying their brains and might into figuring out how to manipulate the narrative and how to squash dissent in this moment when the country is going through an unimaginable disaster. J…

I don’t understand what Modi is doing. It seems like many huge companies based in the west will be looking to leave China (as much as possible) in the next 5ish years and India is a democracy perfectly situated to grab all of that economic productivity. They have the education, the infrastructure, and the population. All they have to do is be a bit less dictator-y than China and a bit more respectful of human rights.

That should be a pretty low bar. But for some reason when Modi should be positioning India as “we’re not like China” he instead seems intent on repeatedly pointing out the similarities on the international stage. It just seems really short-sighted to me.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by lindy2021 »

bobthechef wrote: post #40
rodgerd wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

COVID is a catastrophe in India because the government's core is religious extremism and other forms of bigotry, and those have driven its response, including cabinet members promoting folk remedies above vaccines and encouraging large religious gatherings (including an upcoming one).

What is "religious extremism"? That term always struck me as odd. Either the truth claims of a religion are true, somewhat true, or false. If they're true (read: have sufficiently good reasons to believe them), then it's not extreme to live in accordance with them. In fact, it is arguably insane not to live in accordance with them. Imagine if someone said "Oh, I believe things fall to the ground when dropped, but I'm…

The original meaning of "religion" in Arabic ("Din") is law. What you call "religious error" is tantamount to "illegal behaviour" to others.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by bobthechef »

yinyang_in wrote: post #30
lindy2021 wrote: post #22

The entire world is heading in the direction of China at breakneck speed. The capitol of the free world is surrounded by steel mesh fencing with some 2,250 armed National Guard troops on duty. We can't expect developing countries to uphold democracy as it dies in the west.

This I find is true, globalisation is eventually failing as imo it was always about cheap labour never anything elss and nationalism is on rise. Every country protects rights, America being leader of free world have those patriotic acts where they stopped raw material in name of America first(full blown nationalism), that too when leader is from by democrat party(left) Nationalism is on rise even Germany's chancellor…

> it was always about cheap labour

Oh yes.

Globalism is not a healthy arrangement. It violates the principle of subsidiary. Global oligarchs are freaking out and hence the frantic uptick in fear mongering. They fear their loss of power. Deflection is key. Stirring up manufactured conflicts among the plebes and bogging people down in bad, self-destructive habits (like drugs and porn) and an endless series of diversions is the classic way you stifle uprisings and pacify the populace. Anyone with a basic understanding of history knows this. The surveillance state and rampant censorship are attempts to neutralize threats (the private sector can skirt constitutional obstacles because, hey, it's private, right?). It is troublesome if you can't use knowledge of history to read the signs in our day. It's one of the reasons we learn history: to understand our present conditions and learn from the past.

The merger of state capitalism and state socialism has been under way and crossing a new threshold, now represented by the convenient phrase "the Great Reset".

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Post by eloff »

SirYandi wrote: post #51
bobthechef wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is "religious extremism"? That term always struck me as odd. Either the truth claims of a religion are true, somewhat true, or false. If they're true (read: have sufficiently good reasons to believe them), then it's not extreme to live in accordance with them. In fact, it is arguably insane not to live in accordance with them. Imagine if someone said "Oh, I believe things fall to the ground when dropped, but I'm…

I think it has something to do with one's tolerance of other people's version of truth.

There are no versions of truth. Those are called opinions if there can be more than one.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by InitialLastName »

bobthechef wrote: post #40
rodgerd wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

COVID is a catastrophe in India because the government's core is religious extremism and other forms of bigotry, and those have driven its response, including cabinet members promoting folk remedies above vaccines and encouraging large religious gatherings (including an upcoming one).

What is "religious extremism"? That term always struck me as odd. Either the truth claims of a religion are true, somewhat true, or false. If they're true (read: have sufficiently good reasons to believe them), then it's not extreme to live in accordance with them. In fact, it is arguably insane not to live in accordance with them. Imagine if someone said "Oh, I believe things fall to the ground when dropped, but I'm…

I would expect that most of the window of peoples' perspectives in most religions fall in the "mostly true, but we don't know which bits, so we'll be tolerant of people who disagree about which bits". Extremists are the people who say "Absolutely true, thus anyone who disagrees on any of it is a *"

As an example, I believe that things usually fall to the ground when dropped, but I've seen a number of counter-examples, and I'm aware of some disagreement at the margins over exactly how quickly those things fall. An extremist would say "Anyone who disagrees that things fall with an acceleration of 9.8m/s^2 is a transgressor".

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Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by [deleted] »

hkt wrote: post #36
lindy2021 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is on Biden's watch. Trump was berated for even contemplating deploying the National Guard as American cities burnt last summer.

A comparison between BLM protests and precautions against the storming of the federal legislature by people who sincerely believed the election was "stolen" is infantile and skewed in the extreme.

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Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by Bang2Bay »

amrrs wrote: post #4

Indian Government recently made Twitter do similar things. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/twitter-under-... Do you know what's worst? A guy was booked yesterday for Tweeting he needed oxygen cylinders which according to a state government is spreading fake news. https://thewire.in/government/amethi-up-police-arfa-khanum-s... While COVID hasn't been kind to the people of India, The current regime's atte…

Anybody who read the article in its entirety and supporting scenario would agree with what the police is doing.
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