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Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by lindy2021 »

ethbr0 wrote: post #25
lindy2021 wrote: post #22

The entire world is heading in the direction of China at breakneck speed. The capitol of the free world is surrounded by steel mesh fencing with some 2,250 armed National Guard troops on duty. We can't expect developing countries to uphold democracy as it dies in the west.

I think that says less about democracy and more about the US' former president.

This is on Biden's watch.

Trump was berated for even contemplating deploying the National Guard as American cities burnt last summer.

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Post by ben_w »

yinyang_in wrote: post #21
asenna wrote: post #5

The media control and censorship here in India is definitely getting our of hand! Setting aside the absolute criminal mismanagement and planning of the Covid situation in the past few months, the fact that the people in power are still applying their brains and might into figuring out how to manipulate the narrative and how to squash dissent in this moment when the country is going through an unimaginable disaster. J…

First the wire is known to be very alt-left but even then the patient didn't had any requirement for oxygen, his grandfather died of heart-attack. Not sure which part of article or twitter thread says a normal guy got screwed up ?

So far as I can see, “alt left” is a recent neologism to denigrate anyone who opposed Trump. What do you mean when you describe them thusly?

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by hkt »

lindy2021 wrote: post #22

The entire world is heading in the direction of China at breakneck speed. The capitol of the free world is surrounded by steel mesh fencing with some 2,250 armed National Guard troops on duty. We can't expect developing countries to uphold democracy as it dies in the west.

The US just had a pretty good election. Democracy is alive and well.

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Post by asenna »

yinyang_in wrote: post #21
asenna wrote: post #5

The media control and censorship here in India is definitely getting our of hand! Setting aside the absolute criminal mismanagement and planning of the Covid situation in the past few months, the fact that the people in power are still applying their brains and might into figuring out how to manipulate the narrative and how to squash dissent in this moment when the country is going through an unimaginable disaster. J…

First the wire is known to be very alt-left but even then the patient didn't had any requirement for oxygen, his grandfather died of heart-attack. Not sure which part of article or twitter thread says a normal guy got screwed up ?

Here's the tweet:

https://twitter.com/khanumarfa/status/1386757457393770496?s=...

It's in the article as well. The text message was tweeted out.

I understand the wire can be considered left-leaning but does that automatically make everything they report on as false?

You can ignore their "alt-left" opinion but screenshots of texts and tweets are actual facts that happened.

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Post by ceejayoz »

mancerayder wrote: post #9

Shocking. What do the pro censorship people say all the time when defending Facebook or Twitter: speech is free but not free from consequences. I believe that's the line.

> I believe that's the line.

I believe you're misrepresenting the line.

Free speech in the US is about being protected from government-inflicted consequences. I can say "fuck you" all I like, but that's never meant I can say it to my boss and demand a First Amendment right to remain employed.

It's never been an absolute, either. Incitement to riot, fraud, libel, actionable threats; all are speech, but we've long accepted restrictions on it.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by hkt »

lindy2021 wrote: post #31
ethbr0 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that says less about democracy and more about the US' former president.

This is on Biden's watch. Trump was berated for even contemplating deploying the National Guard as American cities burnt last summer.

A comparison between BLM protests and precautions against the storming of the federal legislature by people who sincerely believed the election was "stolen" is infantile and skewed in the extreme.

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by 1cvmask »

Facebook and other social media platforms (even Google manipulating and sacrificing search integrity to prevent unearthing alleged misinformation much to the detriment of academic research when we need long tail results) are already censorship platforms and have been for a while. They even censor academic conferences on censorship.

Outcomes like these are to be expected when you also commit censorship (including shadow banning, algorithmic downvoting etc.) blatantly.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26008217

https://www.mintpressnews.com/media-censorship-conference-ce...

Re: Facebook ‘looking into’ hiding of posts calling for PM’s resignation in India

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Post by lucasmullens »

asenna wrote: post #28

I've always wanted to ask the HN community about this problem, what exactly can be done from a technology standpoint? I feel we're already at a point where tools are available to make a censorship resistant social network. The main challenges would be: - Kickstarting a network is a difficult problem - A way to ensure sane content moderation (child porn / abuse, etc) while still keeping the decision-making decentraliz…

I think Mastodon might be similar to what you're describing?

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Post by bobthechef »

rodgerd wrote: post #10
amrrs wrote: post #4

Indian Government recently made Twitter do similar things. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/twitter-under-... Do you know what's worst? A guy was booked yesterday for Tweeting he needed oxygen cylinders which according to a state government is spreading fake news. https://thewire.in/government/amethi-up-police-arfa-khanum-s... While COVID hasn't been kind to the people of India, The current regime's atte…

COVID is a catastrophe in India because the government's core is religious extremism and other forms of bigotry, and those have driven its response, including cabinet members promoting folk remedies above vaccines and encouraging large religious gatherings (including an upcoming one).

What is "religious extremism"? That term always struck me as odd. Either the truth claims of a religion are true, somewhat true, or false.

If they're true (read: have sufficiently good reasons to believe them), then it's not extreme to live in accordance with them. In fact, it is arguably insane not to live in accordance with them. Imagine if someone said "Oh, I believe things fall to the ground when dropped, but I'm not an extremist about it". What does that mean?? That you only sort of believe that they fall to the ground? That you only sometimes avoid jumping off of bridges?

If they're somewhat true, then they need refinement and correction because they contain error.

If they're false, then it would be an error to follow them in any way.

So really, if what's being done is evil or wrong, it should maybe be called religious error, or just error.

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