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Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by serverholic »

cycrutchfield wrote: post #47
serverholic wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are lots of examples that support your argument. For example, there are hunter-gatherer tribes living today that consume a significant amount of sugar (up to 60% of their calories) and don't have the same problems with obesity, diabetes, etc. I'm no expert but it seems that the human body doesn't handle bodyfat very well. Perhaps all of this negativity around sugar can be explained by the fact that sugar is cal…

Really, hunter-gatherer tribes eat 60% of their calories in refined sugars? Or are you conflating any form of sugar (specifically in fruit) and refined sugars such as in soft drinks?

No I'm talking about honey or plain white sugar depending on the tribe.

I forgot their names but there are 3 main tribes that I remember being studied. Two of them ate significant amounts of honey and a third traded for refined white sugar.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by genrez »

bagacrap wrote: post #19

""" After adjusting for possible confounding variables, BMI was an independent risk factor for low testosterone level """ So after adjusting for BMI, sugary beverage consumption had nothing to do with T. But BMI is correlated with T which is (very) old news, and sugary drink consumption is presumably correlated with BMI. Yawn.

My reading of the study is that both BMI itself and sugary drink consumption after adjusting for BMI among other factors are risk factors for low T.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by lotsofpulp »

skohan wrote: post #24
01100011 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you can make a solid case that, for most people, fructose and therefore sucrose is bad in any significant quantity. Sure, fructose can help replenish liver energy stores if you're an athlete, but most people aren't.

Yes exactly. Sugar should probably be placed in the same category as alcohol in terms of health consideration. It's fine to enjoy in moderation, but fundamentally toxic. Less acutely toxic than alcohol, but more strongly habit-forming.

I would go ahead and throw all carbs in there with the level of inactivity among most of the population.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by ASalazarMX »

tansey wrote: post #37
baq wrote: post #28

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Nice trolling, I hope, because it’s terrifying if you’re serious. Sugar basically doesn’t exist in nature without fiber. Animals have not evolved to consume significant quantities of it. Bacterial flora in your gut is different when you have sugar and not enough fiber.

> Sugar basically doesn’t exist in nature without fiber Honey?

Yes, dear?

Jokes aside, there are a few natural sugar sources without fiber, like sugar cane (it has fiber, but we just spit it). I think we can all agree that eating too much honey or sugar cane juice would be bad for our health.

There's also sugars like inulin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inulin), which are actually classified as soluble fiber because we can't digest them, so the bacteria in our digestive system does it for us. Inulin is a prebiotic, so it's actually healthy to eat in moderation.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by andy_ppp »

kleinsch wrote: post #44
narush wrote: post #5

For anyone wondering, this is not an experiment, it's an epidemiological study. I've commented about it on HN before [1], but nutritional epidemiology is in its own league of shady science. If you didn't know, 80% of things you eat give you cancer [2]. That being said, sugar is bad. Main-lining sugar by drinking it in huge concentrations seems even worse! Edit: that being said, if you are doing nutritional epidemiolo…

[2] 80% of things you eat have studies correlating them with increased or decreased risk of cancer

80% of people who report they don’t drink sugar do other shit to look after their health too - and are probably richer amongst other cofactors.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by osdoorp »

genrez wrote: post #23
ronnier wrote: post #2

> Conclusion: SSB consumption is significantly associated with low serum testosterone in men 20–39 years old in the United States.

narush points out elsewhere that this isn't a controlled experiment, so take these numbers with a grain of salt. Also I am not a statistician, so take this with another grain of salt. That being said, if I am interpreting Table 2 correctly, the study is saying that consuming a large amount of surgery beverages causes your risk of having low-testosterone related problems to rise by 2.29 times compared to not drinking…

Small correction: the study is saying that consuming a large amount of sugary beverages *is associated" with lower-testosterone concentration —

they didn't say anything about causation.

It's also possible that lower-testosterone causes you having a "sweet tooth".

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by eloff »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #53
skohan wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes exactly. Sugar should probably be placed in the same category as alcohol in terms of health consideration. It's fine to enjoy in moderation, but fundamentally toxic. Less acutely toxic than alcohol, but more strongly habit-forming.

I would go ahead and throw all carbs in there with the level of inactivity among most of the population.

No, because there are plenty of healthy carbs, especially in moderation.

There is no healthy sugar by comparison.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by sachdevap »

skohan wrote: post #24
01100011 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you can make a solid case that, for most people, fructose and therefore sucrose is bad in any significant quantity. Sure, fructose can help replenish liver energy stores if you're an athlete, but most people aren't.

Yes exactly. Sugar should probably be placed in the same category as alcohol in terms of health consideration. It's fine to enjoy in moderation, but fundamentally toxic. Less acutely toxic than alcohol, but more strongly habit-forming.

Sugar is not fundamentally toxic. This is a very poor conclusion to draw, and even more so when, as someone else suggested, expanding this to all carbs.

Glucose is used in IV drips, and in emergency conditions, providing someone with glucose and electrolytes can prevent them from passing out.

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by andi999 »

narush wrote: post #5

For anyone wondering, this is not an experiment, it's an epidemiological study. I've commented about it on HN before [1], but nutritional epidemiology is in its own league of shady science. If you didn't know, 80% of things you eat give you cancer [2]. That being said, sugar is bad. Main-lining sugar by drinking it in huge concentrations seems even worse! Edit: that being said, if you are doing nutritional epidemiolo…

Which sugar is bad? Is fructose as bad as glucose?

Re: Sugar-sweetened beverage intake and serum testosterone levels in adult males (2018)

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Post by lambdaba »

papandada wrote: post #45

As a 41 year old man getting remarried, I'm personally interested in the subject of serum testosterone. I have noticed a sharp decline the past couple years and I'm sure aging plus computer job plus covid is a noxious blend. General advice out there includes lower stress, lose weight, keep active, get sleep, weightlifting is good, cardio is good but maybe not too much, IF may be good. Scientific studies are good but…

More dietary cholesterol. Raw egg yolks (easier to consume raw) in as large a quantity as you can handle.
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