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Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by musingsole »

oneplane wrote: post #77
musingsole wrote: post #29

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Eh, if you aren't able to stay connected to a group despite not using that group's chosen technology, you're not that critical to the group. I'm not advocating to hold your participation hostage, but someone organizing a group to use exclusionary practices despite knowing specific members can't or won't participate is a classic bullying tactic. Family members employ it often.

Eh, a social group isn't a business gathering nor is it a calculated construct. We're talking about people following their natural attraction. People don't consciously 'organise' a group with some 'group manager' and a nice hierarchy, technology choice panels, and acquisition procedures. There isn't some grand evil plan where the 'group CEO' selects the technology that everyone now has to use. This is just users usin…

You're right that a lot of it isn't conscious. You're wrong that it isn't calculated.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by monic »

rovek wrote: post #54
vmception wrote: post #3

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Agreed. They could probably monetize that better than hardware sales too, most likely via Apple Wallet payments and data. And the whole blue/green bubble pretentiousness would have never happened, which is funny because so many Android users still have no idea that's even happening to them or just assume they don't need to care about anybody that cares about that. (protip: its affecting your life and relationships)

> And the whole blue/green bubble pretentiousness Honestly, reading the rest of the comments in this thread to this effect, it's terrifying that the runaway success of a single company can so degrade the fabric of personal relationships this way. The only people I've met who use iMessage have been Americans and the Americans I've met that live in the UK use WhatsApp or Messenger as their primary local comms, though f…

iMessage only makes sense on the iPhone with its full suite of Apple solutions. I don’t know why Google split up their video and then their chat into multiple directions but on Apple these exist as a workflow of solutions.

Thus they are vulnerable to a do it all app like WhatsApp. IMO just exporting iMessage wouldn’t have been enough, they would’ve needed to combine FaceTime too.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by tobobo »

aryonoco wrote: post #69
vmception wrote: post #3

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Agreed. They could probably monetize that better than hardware sales too, most likely via Apple Wallet payments and data. And the whole blue/green bubble pretentiousness would have never happened, which is funny because so many Android users still have no idea that's even happening to them or just assume they don't need to care about anybody that cares about that. (protip: its affecting your life and relationships)

I'm in Australia, and here iPhones have about 50% of the smartphone market, with the other half being Android of course. I obviously know many iPhone users, including my wife and many close friends. I know of no one who uses iMessage. Here everyone uses Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp (and to a lesser extent Telegram and Signal). Is this iMessage fascinating a US thing? Why?

In the US almost everyone uses SMS. iMessage uses the same app as SMS, changing the message type based on whether the recipient can accept iMessages. So, most iPhone-to-iPhone communication ends up being SMS because we don’t have to change what we’re used to.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by kevincox »

alberth wrote: post #4

Reminds me of BBM (blackberry messenger). Only available on their hardware.

I mean the logic is obvious. If you are popular enough you want to keep the platform exclusive. If you aren't then it makes sense to go multi-platform.

BlackBerry thought their platform was strong enough and BBM would pull everyone else in. They were of course wrong.

It seems like Apple is strong enough to keep iMessage useful even if it is platform limited, and surely some people are buying iPhones for the status-symbol of Green Bubbles (or Blue, I can't remember I don't use iMessage).

Of course every platform wants to think they are strong enough to pull this trick, admitting otherwise is very difficult. Of course by the time it is obvious that you aren't strong enough it is probably too late.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by MomoXenosaga »

vmception wrote: post #3
exabrial wrote: post #2

They would have captured 100% of the messaging market. Reminds me of '90s *Nix companies with sales bros wanting to sling around overpriced hardware, preventing expansion of the company in other fronts.

Agreed. They could probably monetize that better than hardware sales too, most likely via Apple Wallet payments and data. And the whole blue/green bubble pretentiousness would have never happened, which is funny because so many Android users still have no idea that's even happening to them or just assume they don't need to care about anybody that cares about that. (protip: its affecting your life and relationships)

Anyone who has the audacity to send me an SMS in the year of our Lord 2021 has my full and undivided negative attention. WhatsApp or go home.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by musingsole »

vmception wrote: post #15
musingsole wrote: post #5

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I quite literally don't need to care about the blue bubble nonsense. It's a great flag for a person I can happily ignore.

"Does the person appear disconnected from family, friends, community organizations, or houses of worship?" https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/indicators-human-trafficki...

The weirdest thing is how gleeful you are in supporting socially exclusionary practices.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by criddell »

lemonade5117 wrote: post #64
vmception wrote: post #3

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Agreed. They could probably monetize that better than hardware sales too, most likely via Apple Wallet payments and data. And the whole blue/green bubble pretentiousness would have never happened, which is funny because so many Android users still have no idea that's even happening to them or just assume they don't need to care about anybody that cares about that. (protip: its affecting your life and relationships)

Doesn't the green bubble mean that it's sent over SMS? I'm pretty sure the reason it exists isn't because of some "pretentiousness"

Yes. And messages sent over SMS are not private. It's a useful thing for Apple to indicate.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by tootie »

The instant messaging market is such an utter failure of competitive market economics. There hasn't been a single worthwhile innovation in like 25 years yet there is intense competition over who owns the proprietary protocols. Text vs data is also an entirely contrived competition.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by prepend »

tobobo wrote: post #83
aryonoco wrote: post #69

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I'm in Australia, and here iPhones have about 50% of the smartphone market, with the other half being Android of course. I obviously know many iPhone users, including my wife and many close friends. I know of no one who uses iMessage. Here everyone uses Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp (and to a lesser extent Telegram and Signal). Is this iMessage fascinating a US thing? Why?

In the US almost everyone uses SMS. iMessage uses the same app as SMS, changing the message type based on whether the recipient can accept iMessages. So, most iPhone-to-iPhone communication ends up being SMS because we don’t have to change what we’re used to.

s/being SMS/being iMessage/

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by prepend »

vegardx wrote: post #60
jonp888 wrote: post #16

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There are many popular messaging applications(Signal/Telegram/WhatsApp) that are cross platform and handle multimedia content well. This is what is used outside of the US.

There are, but... Incoming rant: The one big thing about iMessage is that it never really changes. And it cannot be hijacked by some other application like on Android. For better or worse, and for basic services like text messages I'm erring on the side of better. I have no idea how many times I had to go fix messaging issues when my grandparents were using Android. Facebook tried to take over all messaging. Then it…

Exactly this, I spent 5 years of monthly calls with my mom over the course of 4 Android (admittedly very cheap) phones. Just basic stuff like sending pictures, why so and so didn’t get her text, etc.

Three years ago she got an iPad and it’s zero support calls with way more communication.

So while I suppose it is possible to have a non-horrible text experience on Android, I’ve only succeeded on iOS.

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