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Re: LulzSec: 50 Days of Lulz statement

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Post by ianterrell » Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 11:25 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #6

NATO press release about the break in to their ebookstore by LulzSec: http://www.nato.int/cps/en/SID-40BE0A99-F4F5EB32/natolive/ne...

Note that the press release was two days ago, after NATO was notified by police. AFAIK, this is the first that Lulzsec has disclosed that the NATO bookstore was hit, which means the police knew before we did. That can't be good for those behind the mask.

Re: LulzSec: 50 Days of Lulz statement

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Post by Mad_Dud » Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 11:26 PM UTC

shareme wrote: post #8

Yup, fuzz on their tails.. Not too smart either why include the number of Lulzsec members?

It doesn't have to be true.

Re: LulzSec: 50 Days of Lulz statement

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Post by ianterrell » Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 11:27 PM UTC

sbierwagen wrote: post #9

shareme wrote: post #8

Yup, fuzz on their tails.. Not too smart either why include the number of Lulzsec members?

1.) What useful information does "there are six of them" convey? 2.) What makes you think that they're not lying?

Disinformation is most likely, but I've been hoping for some steganography from their Pastbins from day one.

Re: LulzSec: 50 Days of Lulz statement

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Post by shareme » Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 11:29 PM UTC

sbierwagen wrote: post #9

shareme wrote: post #8

Yup, fuzz on their tails.. Not too smart either why include the number of Lulzsec members?

1.) What useful information does "there are six of them" convey? 2.) What makes you think that they're not lying?

chat logs show more than 6..

But its only 6 that are active in illegal stuff

Re: LulzSec: 50 Days of Lulz statement

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Post by 46Bit » Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 11:31 PM UTC

ianterrell wrote: post #5

Considering they'd even earlier today advertised a Monday booty release, I suspect that, rather than abandoning the Lulzsec facade after 50 days, it's that the fuzz is a little too hot on their trail for comfort.

I'd have to agree. Even now I think that with time they will all be outed - if they've not already. Some of these 'raids' have just been too daring to expect to get away with forever.

Re: LulzSec: 50 Days of Lulz statement

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Post by Strom » Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 11:31 PM UTC

estel wrote: post #2

The torrent appears to contain hacked personal data from: * EA (Battlefield Heroes) * Hackforums.net * Nato-bookshop.org * Misc other forums The first of these purports to be 200K+ users.

The Battlefield Heroes passwords are unsalted MD5. Way to go EA.

Re: LulzSec: 50 Days of Lulz statement

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Post by ianterrell » Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 11:33 PM UTC

Strom wrote: post #16

estel wrote: post #2

The torrent appears to contain hacked personal data from: * EA (Battlefield Heroes) * Hackforums.net * Nato-bookshop.org * Misc other forums The first of these purports to be 200K+ users.

The Battlefield Heroes passwords are unsalted MD5. Way to go EA.

That still beats the NATO bookstore's plaintext. :)

Re: LulzSec: 50 Days of Lulz statement

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Post by redthrowaway » Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 11:33 PM UTC

sbierwagen wrote: post #9

shareme wrote: post #8

Yup, fuzz on their tails.. Not too smart either why include the number of Lulzsec members?

1.) What useful information does "there are six of them" convey? 2.) What makes you think that they're not lying?

1.) What information does the number of columns in a MySQL database convey? It's not just that there are six of them, but that records could be poured over for various irc servers in an attempt to link the 6 accounts that interacted with eachother the most. It allows for deeper inspection, and perhaps more information. However,

2.) They almost certainly are. I could see them saying how many people they actually had almost as a bluff, but more than likely they're just throwing out misinformation.

Re: LulzSec: 50 Days of Lulz statement

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Post by jfb » Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 11:35 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #6

NATO press release about the break in to their ebookstore by LulzSec: http://www.nato.int/cps/en/SID-40BE0A99-F4F5EB32/natolive/ne...

NATO has an ebook store? What are the hell?

Re: LulzSec: 50 Days of Lulz statement

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Post by redthrowaway » Sat, Jun 25, 2011, 11:42 PM UTC

46Bit wrote: post #15

ianterrell wrote: post #5

Considering they'd even earlier today advertised a Monday booty release, I suspect that, rather than abandoning the Lulzsec facade after 50 days, it's that the fuzz is a little too hot on their trail for comfort.

I'd have to agree. Even now I think that with time they will all be outed - if they've not already. Some of these 'raids' have just been too daring to expect to get away with forever.

Really though, if all of your traffic is going through TOR to a vpn in eastern europe, the chances of being tracked down are slim to nil. Sure, there are theoretical weaknesses in TOR, but you'd need to control quite a few exit nodes to even begin to have a chance of pinpointing the endpoints. Combine that with a compromised wifi as a last resort (which you erase the logs of regularly), and you're pretty damned safe. All of the people who were arrested for hacking the CIA or DoD were caught many years ago, when anonymization tools weren't nearly so well developed, and the need for anonymization wasn't so clearly recognized. I'd like to see a modern story of the authorities finding someone who was hidden by TOR + vpn. I just don't see it happening any time soon.