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Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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I do think the problem is there is no differentiation between organic animal husbandry which has proven benefits (the pastures capture carbon dioxide etc) and the intensive factory farms. I have been reasonably selective of my meat sources over the past decade buying from a local butcher who sources from local organic farms and i am a happy customer and not ashamed.

How does that make the co2 and methan go away? Every cow produces it. And do you have a conflict that you are able to pay higher prices for meat than a lot of other people?

> Every cow produces it.

Every individual cow does produce CO2 and Methane. But that's not causing rapid climate change. The root cause is perceiving cows - or meat in general - as a commodity.

Factory farming, raising and keeping tens of thousands of animals, has little to do with the historically intricate relationship between individual humans and cattle. It's about producing as much of a resource as possible in order to compete on an open market. In such a model, CO2 and Methane are costs to the farm that need to be externalized as cheaply as possible.

Not to mention externalized costs further down the chain to the customer such as the waste of unsold produce, single use plastic packaging, transport and so on.

> And do you have a conflict that you are able to pay higher prices for meat than a lot of other people?

Not OP. I buy meat from a local butcher or farm.

No. I don't have that conflict for several reasons.

First, I rather buy quality meat once a week which I consume sparingly, then cheap, processed meat daily or even multiple times a day. So, that evens the costs out for me.

Second, I choose to pay a higher price. Why? Because that's closer to the true cost of keeping and raising healthy cattle on a small, sustainable scale. What I get is a quality product.

Third, I make self-cooked meals on a daily basis. I'm a stickler for good, tasty food. Choosing to approach meat more carefully prompted me to adapt my diet and replace the dishes I used to make. This is a positive experience since there's an absolute wealth of dishes out there that don't require meat. The meat I do buy and prepare only get minimally wasted (e.g. freezing portions, making stock,...)

Fourth, I don't support a model where the abundant availability of meat globally is taken for granted, even though the environmental and social costs are clearly there. My effort is entirely insignificant on a global scale, but at least it makes me sleep just ever so slightly better at night. That's more then enough for me.

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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post #21
post #14

I do think the problem is there is no differentiation between organic animal husbandry which has proven benefits (the pastures capture carbon dioxide etc) and the intensive factory farms. I have been reasonably selective of my meat sources over the past decade buying from a local butcher who sources from local organic farms and i am a happy customer and not ashamed.

How does that make the co2 and methan go away? Every cow produces it. And do you have a conflict that you are able to pay higher prices for meat than a lot of other people?

Is there something specific about cows that produces more methane than other animals?

Assuming we stopped cow farming completely and the fields were turned into wild live reserves of bison or something would emissions magically go down? Or do they no longer count as anthropogenic so we can magically ignore them?

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that make the co2 and methan go away? Every cow produces it. And do you have a conflict that you are able to pay higher prices for meat than a lot of other people?

Is there something specific about cows that produces more methane than other animals? Assuming we stopped cow farming completely and the fields were turned into wild live reserves of bison or something would emissions magically go down? Or do they no longer count as anthropogenic so we can magically ignore them?

If cows are fed an unnatural diet instead of grass they fart a lot. So wild animals don't have the same issue.

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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I do think the problem is there is no differentiation between organic animal husbandry which has proven benefits (the pastures capture carbon dioxide etc) and the intensive factory farms. I have been reasonably selective of my meat sources over the past decade buying from a local butcher who sources from local organic farms and i am a happy customer and not ashamed.

How does that make the co2 and methan go away? Every cow produces it. And do you have a conflict that you are able to pay higher prices for meat than a lot of other people?

The issue here is there is no balance in the discussion. we push people to be vegan and they become radical environmentalists but the vegan lifestyle for the average person is filled with processed foods with no discussion of the environmental impact of food processing. Busy people have no time for some of the food preparation required to be vegan. There is no balance of conversation at all.

Regarding the comment about me paying higher prices, I can't agree. I spend an aggregate of about £1.50 / head on meat per day which is much less than if I decided to buy any processed soy or processed plant protein.

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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You think repairing literally millions of abandoned leaking natural gas wells is easier?

I don't really know but my gut feeling is that you can sit down with the 99.9% of those well owners at a single OPEC or IOGP meeting. However, you would struggle to enforce any meat industry curbing measure with the millions of meat producers spread across many developing countries.

If you think it's easier to focus on developed countries, North America and Europe are responsible for 1/3 of the global meat production (~110 million tons/year). China is another 80 million tons.

On the consumption side, and leaving aside the micro-nation of Hong Kong, the US lead the per capita meat consumption charts with 124 kg/year, with other high-wealth countries close behind. (China: 61 kg/year.)

The developing countries don't have to be a particular priority, at this point.

https://ourworldindata.org/meat-production

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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I do think the problem is there is no differentiation between organic animal husbandry which has proven benefits (the pastures capture carbon dioxide etc) and the intensive factory farms. I have been reasonably selective of my meat sources over the past decade buying from a local butcher who sources from local organic farms and i am a happy customer and not ashamed.

Indeed. I have seen a study that suggested free range cows in Australian grasslands were even less CO2 intensive per calorie than grains and also made use of land which wasn't farmable. However such a thing can't really scale because of the large area required.

Link to study?

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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post #14

I do think the problem is there is no differentiation between organic animal husbandry which has proven benefits (the pastures capture carbon dioxide etc) and the intensive factory farms. I have been reasonably selective of my meat sources over the past decade buying from a local butcher who sources from local organic farms and i am a happy customer and not ashamed.

Indeed. I have seen a study that suggested free range cows in Australian grasslands were even less CO2 intensive per calorie than grains and also made use of land which wasn't farmable. However such a thing can't really scale because of the large area required.

> Grasslands cover around 3.5 billion heactares globally, representing 26-40 percent of Earth's total terrestrial area.

I assume wiki meant these are natural grasslands in which case sounds pretty scalable.

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there something specific about cows that produces more methane than other animals? Assuming we stopped cow farming completely and the fields were turned into wild live reserves of bison or something would emissions magically go down? Or do they no longer count as anthropogenic so we can magically ignore them?

If cows are fed an unnatural diet instead of grass they fart a lot. So wild animals don't have the same issue.

Do you have a source for that? From my brief looking it seems like its the other way around (https://beef.unl.edu/reduce-methane-production-cattle)
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