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Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by bafumio »

tasssko wrote: post #14

I do think the problem is there is no differentiation between organic animal husbandry which has proven benefits (the pastures capture carbon dioxide etc) and the intensive factory farms. I have been reasonably selective of my meat sources over the past decade buying from a local butcher who sources from local organic farms and i am a happy customer and not ashamed.

How does that make the co2 and methan go away?

Every cow produces it.

And do you have a conflict that you are able to pay higher prices for meat than a lot of other people?

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

elite_hackers wrote: post #12
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really really cool. So looking at the world data the global warming effect of the whole world livestock production is 5.8% which is aproximately the same as the methane emissions of accidental leaks in the Energy sector industries. It seems logistically much easier to solve the problem of coal mining leaks and Oil and Gas methane leaks created by a few multinational conglomerates, than to try and curb a fract…

You think repairing literally millions of abandoned leaking natural gas wells is easier?

I don't really know but my gut feeling is that you can sit down with the 99.9% of those well owners at a single OPEC or IOGP meeting.

However, you would struggle to enforce any meat industry curbing measure with the millions of meat producers spread across many developing countries.

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by bafumio »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #10
itcrowd wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a good chart with a short text summary at Our World in Data : https://ourworldindata.org/emissions-by-sector

This is really really cool. So looking at the world data the global warming effect of the whole world livestock production is 5.8% which is aproximately the same as the methane emissions of accidental leaks in the Energy sector industries. It seems logistically much easier to solve the problem of coal mining leaks and Oil and Gas methane leaks created by a few multinational conglomerates, than to try and curb a fract…

I'm not sure if I'm missing something but right now the global goal is 0 co2 by 2050 which already means hitting 1-2 degrees increase.

Every measure right now, which doesn't hurt us, doesn't do anything right now to solve the problem.

Mexiko has a drought strongest of the last 30 years, permafrost is unfreezing, etc.

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

vineyardmike wrote: post #15
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really really cool. So looking at the world data the global warming effect of the whole world livestock production is 5.8% which is aproximately the same as the methane emissions of accidental leaks in the Energy sector industries. It seems logistically much easier to solve the problem of coal mining leaks and Oil and Gas methane leaks created by a few multinational conglomerates, than to try and curb a fract…

Or if people drive 33% less. Or heated their home 50% less. But why not stop the accidental leaks while eating less meat while driving less while using energy efficient houses? It’s a lot easier to blame an industry you can’t control than make a few decisions at home. Tell your politicians to hold the mega corps accountable while proving you care by avoiding beef and driving less and turning the AC on less.

Indeed wholeheartedly agree, it was not my intention to single out a particular industry and participation is key since like you said transportation and energy are two main causes for which we do have control over.

It was just interesting that the percent contributions where really similar between the two when intuitively I would expect Oil/Gas/Coal methane leaks to have a marginal climate impact.

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by bafumio »

toyg wrote: post #7
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #3

There needs to be an informed decision pollution breakdown, industry by industry of the climate change impact. Cows are the latest media exposed industry but I have no intuition on how they compare with other industries? Coal power plants? ICEs in auto industry? Petro-Chemical industry? If the meat industry collapsed would we eliminate 20% of the world's pollution or 0.2%? I have no idea and haven't found any clear c…

And what about forest-killing soy and avocado plantations? What about water-guzzling fields? The “environmental” story of vegetarianism is such hypocritical bullshit.

Your examples are still much better then beef.

Beef creates the pressure for forest killing soy btw.

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by akvadrako »

tasssko wrote: post #14

I do think the problem is there is no differentiation between organic animal husbandry which has proven benefits (the pastures capture carbon dioxide etc) and the intensive factory farms. I have been reasonably selective of my meat sources over the past decade buying from a local butcher who sources from local organic farms and i am a happy customer and not ashamed.

Indeed. I have seen a study that suggested free range cows in Australian grasslands were even less CO2 intensive per calorie than grains and also made use of land which wasn't farmable.

However such a thing can't really scale because of the large area required.

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by throwaway69123 »

bafumio wrote: post #21
tasssko wrote: post #14

I do think the problem is there is no differentiation between organic animal husbandry which has proven benefits (the pastures capture carbon dioxide etc) and the intensive factory farms. I have been reasonably selective of my meat sources over the past decade buying from a local butcher who sources from local organic farms and i am a happy customer and not ashamed.

How does that make the co2 and methan go away? Every cow produces it. And do you have a conflict that you are able to pay higher prices for meat than a lot of other people?

He offsets the carbon by mixing in some veal

Re: Epicurious Will No Longer Publish Beef Recipes

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Post by bafumio »

throwaway69123 wrote: post #29
bafumio wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that make the co2 and methan go away? Every cow produces it. And do you have a conflict that you are able to pay higher prices for meat than a lot of other people?

He offsets the carbon by mixing in some veal

I think I heard of it but never been able to buy it
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