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The health benefits of better air

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Re: The health benefits of better air

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Unless the author is not only a scientist but a really good one, I cannot personally believe any of this material. If particles were as essential to health as claimed, smokers would have a much much shorter life expectancy.

lol. smoking reduces your life expectancy by 15% on average.

Re: The health benefits of better air

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The biggest pitfall I see with this is we’re extrapolating from large doses of air pollution to very tiny ones. Clearly we have enough evidence to say that smoking a pack a day or living in a smog-filled city will cut years off your life. But we would need truly gigantic samples to show that blowing birthday candles or broiling fish once a week will cut weeks off your life. Instead these conclusions are being derived…

Everything is a poison, only dosage takes that characteristic away.

Re: The health benefits of better air

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Related: https://samharris.org/the-fireplace-delusion/

> I have discovered that when I make this case, even to highly intelligent and health-conscious men and women, a psychological truth quickly becomes as visible as a pair of clenched fists: They do not want to believe any of it.

LOL this happens whenever I talk about this issue with people here in Poland. Part of it is their family is here, it's hard to immigrate, deep down they know it is a problem. It was upsetting to tell my Polish wife that we need to move out of Poland and to scary USA but... she agreed with me and we're doing it. For us, the risk of death is far higher here with all the smoke. Even the California wildfires are relatively harmless in comparison, we get that every year in Poland and no one cares, at least in Calfornia everyone recognizes that it's a problem and people stay at home.

But here, wood burning(or even coal burning), is a part of the culture, giving warm fuzzy memories at granny's house burning horrid things in the furnace for others to enjoy.

Re: The health benefits of better air

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How is it possible to separate DALYs lost from high BMI from DALYs lost from low vegetables and/or low physical activity? The author never fully explains the methodology behind the graph.

I don't understand how the author arrives at the conclusion that "[air quality] is often the most effective health intervention, period". How do you take that away from the plots? If you're in the US my prime take-away would be to keep your BMI in check. The first graph shows ~2 deaths per 1000 people per year. Surely more than 2 persons/1000/year die in those countries. What are the causes for the other ~10-15 death…

Most of the world lives outside the US, so "often" would seem to apply to the potential improvement in DALYs.

BMI reductions are also notoriously difficult, while many of the mitigations listed in the article are low effort and relatively low cost. You could plausibly include this in your comparison of effectiveness.

Re: The health benefits of better air

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

First we have to get to the point where basic insulation and noise dampening are figured out. House quality is really terrible.

In the USA yes, especially the west coast. In Poland I was about to get a condo constructed but not doing that anymore, but the process was quite interesting. The insulation blew most everything in the USA out of the water. Mostly because they have no choice given the really cold winters. During the winter pollution gets really bad and if you shut the windows, pollution goes down indoors, but so does CO2. Ideally you…

Yeah. Stuff like high quality insulation, balanced ventilation and so on has been required in new homes in much of Europe for more than a decade ...

Re: The health benefits of better air

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post #7

I love this article. But the article misses the use of plants to improve air quality! HEPA air filters can't filter out nano-sized pollutants

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/03/indoor-p... > The science is clear: Indoor vegetation doesn’t significantly remove pollutants from the air

and doesn't filter CO2 in any way measurable. You would need your entire place filled with the right plants to make a difference. I tried, and failed at this when I realized I'd have to get way more plants.

Re: The health benefits of better air

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gas is the "high end" option Few years ago I moved from a little apartment with an electric range to an SFH with gas everything. "Good for you," my gas-enthusiast family said, "now you have a REAL stove" It still takes forever to boil water in a pot. The food tastes the same. I wonder why furnaces have these fancy high-efficiency heat exchangers and stoves don't? Cost? I wouldn't mind going back to electric. I just…

I think the point is control. Induction stoves are pretty good for dumping watts into water. However, it's very hard to get a good mid-range temperature. Gas makes it really straightforward to get something cooking at exactly the heat you want.

Most electric stoves are non-induction.

Re: The health benefits of better air

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Thank you for this extensive resource on air quality. Yes, it needs to get more attention as it is one of the main drivers of mortality of environmental risks. One thing one has to bear in mind is that often when you optmize your home for low PM (e.g. with air purifiers and fixing of air leackage) your CO2 will get very high causing headaches and reduce cognitive performance. So it always makes sense for indoor air q…

I have an AirVisual Pro, which is quite expensive, but my half finished air quality monitor project had been on the bench for much too long.

I have windows open all the time, air conditioning on too often, and dehumidifiers and HEPA filters as well. It is not efficient or particularly environmentally friendly... but I want a CO2 level My next half baked idea is figuring out a way to have a sealed home and an appliance (or messy bench-top device) to remove CO2 from the room continuously and exhale outside -- current ideas revolve around using a carbonate (lithium? sodium?) in water in an electrolysis cell and an aquarium bubbler to collect CO2 and expel it outside. The best I've been able to accomplish so far is baking CO2 out of baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) and sealing it in about a cubic foot container and achieving ~300 ppm CO2 (lower than outside which is ~400-450).

Re: The health benefits of better air

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A simple 20 x 20 Box fan with a furnace HEPA filter placed against it (just turn on fan and place filter behind it) will do wonders for your indoor air quality. The 3M 2200 Series Filtrete Filters are amazing. You also always want to cook with the Hood Fan going. The particulate that is created during cooking is so small it can pass through the lungs into your blood stream causing havoc.

How long do the filters last?

As another commenter noted, it depends on your air, but a decent HEPA filter (H13/H14 etc.) will last a very long time if you remove the coarse dust first with a prefilter.

The prefilter is typically a lot cheaper and is replaced more often. Even some non-woven filter fabric (like that used in vacuum cleaner filters) will dramatically increase the HEPA filter life, is super cheap, and can be washed for reuse.

My purifiers use an F8 prefilter and H13 HEPA filter, and the HEPA filter will last about 2 years.

Filter class info here:

https://www.emw.de/en/filter-campus/filter-classes.html

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