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Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting competition and consumers

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Re: Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting competition and consumers

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I'd love to see a solid non-OS specific app store come into being. I own anyapp.com and any.app, let me know if anyone wants to partner up.

F-droid tends to fill the gap for Andriod, but not enough developers sending their apps there. I guess when there's no monetary incentive, it's only the open source crowd that will participate

Only open source is allowed there.

Re: Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting competition and consumers

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Well I love my Apple App Store. It protects me for certain things with payments, and it’s another line of defense against some attacks.

We’ll me too but if there is an alternative I can still direcr my business to Apple’s store.

On the Mac I avoid the store if it’s possible to download directly from the developer so that they don’t have to pay a cut. If there were an alternative Mac App Store I would avoid it too like the plague.

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> The ACCC has put forward a series of potential measures in response to its findings, including that consumers be able to rate and review all apps, that consumers have the ability to change any pre-installed default app on their device, that app developers be allowed to provide consumers with information about alternative payment options and that information collected by Apple and Google in their capacity as app mar…

Fair bit of teeth on the ACCC. https://theconversation.com/accc-world-first-australias-fede...

Re: Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting competition and consumers

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It’s a shame we are reliant on (2) app stores. It would be nice if there was a way to safely implement browser plug-ins that would bring some of the functionality offered by native apps. Not sure if WASM/WASI might save the day here eventually, but the path we’re on now is looking pretty grim if the status quo wins out.

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Well I love my Apple App Store. It protects me for certain things with payments, and it’s another line of defense against some attacks.

What Apple should do is charge users $10 to turn off competing app stores, since from posts like this it seems to be worth so much to users to have them locked out.

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post #3

I'd love to see a solid non-OS specific app store come into being. I own anyapp.com and any.app, let me know if anyone wants to partner up.

F-droid tends to fill the gap for Andriod, but not enough developers sending their apps there. I guess when there's no monetary incentive, it's only the open source crowd that will participate

Fdroid was the thing I missed most about moving to ios. Sure, it had a limited app selection and the apps were basic. But every app on fdroid had a really wholesome feel to it, like the app devs have made this just for you to enjoy and not to try to squeeze money from you.

Now on the app store, absolutely everything is crammed with adverts, tracking IAPs, and subscriptions. I can't just install an app and expect it to work because there is always some catch that ruins it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

F-droid tends to fill the gap for Andriod, but not enough developers sending their apps there. I guess when there's no monetary incentive, it's only the open source crowd that will participate

Only open source is allowed there.

Which is what you want. Whenever possible you should avoid running proprietary programs.

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Well I love my Apple App Store. It protects me for certain things with payments, and it’s another line of defense against some attacks.

Yep it neatly organizes everything with subscriptions and vetted apps into a single location. Can't ask for more. The only people that want out of it is people who want a bigger rev cut, to bypass app store rules and infect devices.

> people who want a bigger rev cut

This is not unreasonable. Apps like netfix and spotify can not possibly pay the Apple cut and stay competitive with apples own services which pay nothing.

Not a single user is going to pay 30% extra to listen to the same music.

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I feel like we keep getting these inquiries/lawsuits/press releases every year but, literally, nothing gets any better at all. Every developer KNOWS that Google is extremely abusive towards them solely because of their position in the market yet nothing ever improves. If these are not illegal monopolies, what is?!

Well, the problem is that they aren't monopolies. They may be problematic but we don't have laws or regulations to deal with this specific situation. And when we call it a "monopoly" because that seems to be the closest thing then the defenders of these organizations can say "but it's not a monopoly!" and they are right. So if you think it is problematic to have two players in a market even when they are on equal foo…

Our laws leave a lot to be desired, but being a monopoly is neither sufficient nor required to get hammered:

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=bd2b38f1-9b66...

What's required, and lacking, is the political will to prosecute.

Re: Dominance of Apple and Google’s app stores impacting competition and consumers

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I feel like we keep getting these inquiries/lawsuits/press releases every year but, literally, nothing gets any better at all. Every developer KNOWS that Google is extremely abusive towards them solely because of their position in the market yet nothing ever improves. If these are not illegal monopolies, what is?!

Do you live in Australia?
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