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Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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I think US-bias is more so class bias than race bias and this comes with a 99% correlation to racial discrimination due to the half millenium of directly ensuring certain races could not access the economy or capital or literacy. Racial discrimination also occurs. A lot of support for racial equality is lost because it is too reductive and invalidates the experience of potential allies in the majority power who exper…

There once was a study where they eloquently demonstrated this by putting the same white actor into two situations: one had him lay down acting like he was dying from a hear attack in front of Wall Street wearing a suit. The other had him doing the same thing but wearing worn out sports clothing. They found that people responded more favorably to the actor when he appeared to be of the same social class.

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Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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Black peoples in the US are far more likely to be summarily executed when interacting with police.

not when accounting for a higher level of crime. In fact, whites are more than half of police victims, while causing way less than half of violent crimes. There are 32 million traffic stops each year. In 2019 the police shot 14 unarmed black Americans. I think every death is unforgivable, but let's not pretend that going to work and back as a black person you're putting your life at risk when meeting the police. Ther…

I’m familiar with these talking points and what influences you would have to regurgitate them.

That talking point still assumes that the killings of armed people was necessary. It doesn't tell you if they were legal holders, responsible concealed carry holders, the type of weapon or anything.

Supporting this frame of thought requires being too much of an apologist for an institution that just has too many options with too little accountability.

It is a false dichotomy to simplify it to more police or less, the same goes to people saying defund the police. Accountability is an overarching theme. Overpolicing certain areas is a self fulfilling prophecy that even pollutes your own stats. Black and white people commit arrestable crimes at a similar distribution while the areas black people live in are policed more, or enforced more.

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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Key bit here: > Devoid of any information about the candidates’ actual qualifications, the hiring managers judged the candidates from higher social classes as more likely to be competent for the job, and a better fit for it than the applicants from lower social classes. Moreover, they assigned the applicants from higher social classes more lucrative salaries and signing bonuses than the candidates with lower social s…

Yeah, the point taken from the study is really designed to stoke tension when it is not really reflective of anything meaningful when it comes to job applicant filtering. It reminds me of a learning from one of Thomas Sowell's books. There were communities that thought that background checks for employees in certain industries were racially discriminating by their very nature. They moved to ban them. Race disparities…

Ironically, HN frequently touts the benefits of "just talk to someone about their work" over the impartial whiteboard interview.

I far prefer the Software Engineering industry's focus on design and coding interviews. Impartial. Unrealistic. But fair.

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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Sure you can. You're less likely to be pulled over in most of the US than a black person driving the same car and wearing the same clothes.

I was stopped too by police and one time briefly searched, so what? Being stopped by the police is not a game changer. If you haven't done anything wrong you'll walk away and go to work and back home. Why is being stopped by police such a big deal? I think the police should do more of that in the US, it would reduce crime considerably.

Because one should have the freedom to continue about their day without being detained for no reason. Can you support your claim? In my city people who have outstanding warrants (arguably having met a standard of having committed a crime) are regularly released after being stopped by police. It seems to me that being stopped by the police doesn't result in the detention of people actually charged with crimes - so why should an average citizen be subject to that or worse?

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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Let's work through a hypothetical. Say that drug use is evenly distributed regardless of race across a group of people. If orange people get searched more frequently, even if every search is equally justified, then the number of orange people being prosecuted for drug infractions would be disproportionate. Note: I am not making a statement about the propriety of this, but merely working through an example of applied…

I see the problem, but I fail to see what you're suggesting? Are we supposed to let criminals go free? Don't deal drugs, is it that hard? If black people wouldn't deal drugs, they wouldn't be targeted by police officers. Think of the east Asians, they are discriminated and mocked maybe even more than black people, but they are less likely to commit crimes, so police doesn't target them.

Actually, there have been quite a few studies on this and there are marginally fewer black drug users than white drug users, and roughly equal rates of drug dealing in the white and black populations

https://www.hamiltonproject.org/charts/rates_of_drug_use_and...

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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This doesn't take into account things like accent, which does count. Many people native to the Boston area looking to get high-paying jobs (esp. in tech) work on breaking their Boston accents to sound higher class.

This is probably also true in the UK that has class lines often built around geography and therefore accents. In the US people with southern accents are viewed by many others as having a lower socioeconomic status. Things get more interesting when the history of the modern Boston accent comes from popular British speech trends hundreds of years ago and co-opted by the aristocrats of Boston, so what is an oftentimes l…

I like hearing different accents. I'm Southern and have a slight accent, but there are many different Southern accents. My father grew up with a thick Southern Alabama accent, but he took speech classes to get rid of it before I was born. I really like hearing the Boston accent too. Deep Louisiana accent is great. I like hearing both James Carville and the LSU coach talk.

On a side note, money can't buy class.

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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A good friend of mine works a logistical analysis job that involves dealing with a lot of warehouses and warehouse workers. There is a saying in the offices of his company that goes: "Get your head out of the warehouse!" This is a play on the popular "Get your head out of the gutter" and is jokingly used in the offices when people say something considered lewd/offensive.

This company brags about its major focus on "diversity" and "helping the underprivileged", but no one bats an eye when "warehouse worker" is used synonymously with "gutter trash".

This company is also shocked--just shocked!--that so few warehouse workers sign up for their "career transformation" program that promises to help educate warehouse staff for office jobs. Because why wouldn't they want to get away from their dirty, dirty warehouse? /s

This is such a huge issue in America, and I feel there's far too little conversation about it. I'm happy to see these kinds of studies shed a bit of light on it.

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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Key bit here: > Devoid of any information about the candidates’ actual qualifications, the hiring managers judged the candidates from higher social classes as more likely to be competent for the job, and a better fit for it than the applicants from lower social classes. Moreover, they assigned the applicants from higher social classes more lucrative salaries and signing bonuses than the candidates with lower social s…

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Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Black peoples in the US are far more likely to be summarily executed when interacting with police.

not when accounting for a higher level of crime. In fact, whites are more than half of police victims, while causing way less than half of violent crimes. There are 32 million traffic stops each year. In 2019 the police shot 14 unarmed black Americans. I think every death is unforgivable, but let's not pretend that going to work and back as a black person you're putting your life at risk when meeting the police. Ther…

> not when accounting for a higher level of crime. In fact, whites are more than half of police victims, while causing way less than half of violent crimes.

... Think about it. How does higher levels of crime among black Americans explain why more unarmed black Americans are killed by police? Think about it ...

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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A good friend of mine works a logistical analysis job that involves dealing with a lot of warehouses and warehouse workers. There is a saying in the offices of his company that goes: "Get your head out of the warehouse!" This is a play on the popular "Get your head out of the gutter" and is jokingly used in the offices when people say something considered lewd/offensive. This company brags about its major focus on "d…

This hits really hard for people that are 20y +, Dir or VP level people... but they really get along mostly with the oilfield guys on the weekend. You almost just have to turn off your personality.
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