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What do you do if you're mugged in a foreign country?
Generally count yourself lucky to be alive and then fly home in a few days.
So you suggest the victims should just shrug it off.
My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community
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Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community
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It’s the modern day equivalent of being accused of witchcraft. You get a trial but good luck getting your reputation back. People are trained not to doubt this sort of thing end assume guilt, then when confronted they rattle off some supposed statistical fact that it’s virtually impossible for the accuser to be lying.
Except there's no such thing as witchcraft but sexual harassment is very real. Victims have every right to speak up. Libel and slander laws are also real. If someone is actually making a false accusation, there's already legal ways to deal with it.
As the parent mentioned, the problem isn't recourse it is by that stage your life is already ruined. I don't think there is a clear answer though, the only moral thing to do is to support the accuser.
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Slightly later she writes "I maintained friendship with him for a few months after May, because I was convinced that it was all consensual". I think it is something of a philosophical issue to debate about whether you can think you consented and later determine you didn't. It's also strange to me that it takes months and consultation with a therapist to determine if you did or did not consent.
Have you ever been in an abusive relationship? Or seen one firsthand? People can be made to believe all sorts of things that aren't true by charismatic or powerful people. It may take them some time to realize they are being tricked or abused. You absolutely can be told you consented, and trust that person's word, and realize later that no, actually you had not. It's just convenient for the abuser for you to believe…
The same argument can be made the other direction. It is quite common for someone to be convinced after the fact it was nonconsensual when it was indeed consensual.
Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community
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A massive company that makes overpriced, low-quality athletic products that double as status symbols, which they manufacture overseas (often using child labor) but then sell for massive markups in the US, Europe, etc. They have an extremely aggressive "woke" presence in their advertising, because as long as you care about social justice for your targeted customers, who cares that "people of color" in the developing w…
Seems like your brother can probably sue for damages if this is the whole story
He was told his case was legitimate, but the cost was too much for him to afford. Also, large corporations have massive legal teams.
The narrative that is widely believed is that "the cost of making an accusation is so high that nobody would do it, so automatically believe accusers" and they pretend that there is no cost to being accused.
It's an oversimplification and ignores the game theory involved in these things.
Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community
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Yes, you are victim blaming. Men aren’t wild bears, they’re human beings who should be held accountable for their actions. How drunk someone is around another human being has nothing to do with the perpetrator’s culpability.
Victim blaming or not, I think most parents wisely caution their children about alcohol, intoxication, and making good decisions about their own personal safety, when they reach the appropriate age. What parent doesn’t have that conversation with their teenage kid?
> I think most parents wisely caution their daughters about alcohol, intoxication, and making good decisions about their own personal safety
> What parent doesn’t have that conversation with their teenage daughter?
Sorry, α-reduced your comment. Force of habit. Also, the pattern matching checker complained your examples only apply to a subset of possible genders.
Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community
#206Let's just do away with the justice system entirely since social media seems to fulfill its functions perfectly.
This is actually a serious theory called anarcho-capitalism.
Yes. By Chomsky:
"Anarcho-capitalism, in my opinion, is a doctrinal system which, if ever implemented, would lead to forms of tyranny and oppression that have few counterparts in human history. There isn't the slightest possibility that its (in my view, horrendous) ideas would be implemented, because they would quickly destroy any society that made this colossal error."
Except we're seeing its horrendous ideas flourishing.
Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community
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> Imagine a letter like this targeted at you one day, except unlike Mr. Pretty, you are innocent. “Imagine that you were convicted of murder but, unlike John Wayne Gacy, you were innocent.” Seriously what is the point of comments like this? False convictions are real and very very bad, but I know very few social justice advocates who are opposed to locking up serial killers. Likewise, the existence of unscrupulous pe…
John Wayne Gacy was convicted in a criminal court of law, with rules, where he was presumed innocent until proven guilty. You attempt to draw a connection, but it's a false analogy out of the gate.
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> heard from someone in HR that the charges were false, but "optics" were the reason they had to move forward with his termination. Time to name the company.
IANAL, but if the story is true, would it be reasonable to sue that coworker for defamation/slander and for lost wages?
The average person doesn't have the means to launch an extensive and hard to win lawsuit like that.
Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community
#209Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Imagine a letter like this targeted at you one day, except unlike Mr. Pretty, you are innocent. “Imagine that you were convicted of murder but, unlike John Wayne Gacy, you were innocent.” Seriously what is the point of comments like this? False convictions are real and very very bad, but I know very few social justice advocates who are opposed to locking up serial killers. Likewise, the existence of unscrupulous pe…
> Imagine that you were convicted of murder OP points out that we have criminal courts for a reason - he's not comparing this scenario with an actual conviction after a trial with presumed innocence. In your analogy, it would have to be common for people to be fired from their jobs (and blackballed from entire industries) on the strength of a murder accusation that hasn't even been presented to the police, much less…
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Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community
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"The problem is that only a tiny percentage of harassers and rapists are ever convicted." How can that be known? Why do you presume that someone is a harasser or rapist if they weren't convicted?
Because I know people who have been harassed and raped and whose harassers and rapists weren't punished. I know literally dozens of stories like that, and maybe a handful where the harasser or rapist was punished at all. Of those, even fewer where they were convicted of a crime. The majority of these cases the victim isn't public in their accusation, there's no argument that they're trying to gain something or hurt s…
I'm one. I'm also male. It was brutal. No, I did not go to the police. I was far too afraid.