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My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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Not to discount her story or what happened to her, but I’d be interested to hear his side of the story.

I know nothing about this other than this one article, but I do know someone who committed suicide after a false rape accusation that stuck even after the accuser admitted to making it all up.

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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first, a small rant: tbf. I dislike the title. the real title is sexual harassment from Jon Pretty a leader of certain Scala Community standups. because the current title actually sounds like it's the whole commnity, but the blog is about a specific guy. --- second I really do not understand, how other people can be so horrible. he basically abused her in a moment where she was really really desperate and I think suc…

The community has allowed this guy to continue to be influential, so while the perpetrator is just one guy, it’s a community problem.

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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post #7

I have no clue on who this guy is nor do I have any sort of interest in Scala but this is terrible. If this is even remotely true I hope he suffers enormous consequences including being persecuted. How are people still getting away with this kind of abuse? How?

> How are people still getting away with this kind of abuse? How? Read the comments in this thread six hours from now and you'll understand.

I think I know what you are trying to say and I agree but I’m also on the camp that Richard Stallman didn’t say anything necessarily wrong, just awkward.

On the one hand I want people to be able to to speak their minds but on the other hand this guy might be a sexual predator at best and a serial rapist at worst. and he is getting away with it!

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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Related: Open letter of support for community members targeted by Jon Pretty https://github.com/scala-open-letter/scala-open-letter.githu...

I don't know anything about it, but this starts to look a bit like public lynching.

no, a lynching is a murder by a racist mob

this is a community realizing that John Pretty is a predator and deciding that they don't want a predator in a position of power

frankly, it's weird as hell for you to be confusing those two things

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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The "share an AirBnB to be able to afford the conference" part seems particularly damning to me. That seems entirely premeditated and predatory.

"seems" doesn't mean "is", we have law systems to deal with those kind of issues. Judges are for determining where the line between "shitty partner" vs "rapist" lies.

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

#26
post #9

first, a small rant: tbf. I dislike the title. the real title is sexual harassment from Jon Pretty a leader of certain Scala Community standups. because the current title actually sounds like it's the whole commnity, but the blog is about a specific guy. --- second I really do not understand, how other people can be so horrible. he basically abused her in a moment where she was really really desperate and I think suc…

Well I think the only problem with the title is that "harassment" is not a strong enough word.

About using the word "community", the first paragraph of the open letter explains why it's relevant:

"We, the undersigned, have become aware that, for some time, Jon Pretty has abused his position of privilege and stature within the Scala community to sexually harass and victimize women. He has used the community’s conferences to target women who are new to the Scala community, offering mentorship, access, and other forms of support, and then abusing the trust that he has established."

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

#27
Jon Pretty sounds like a complete creep and yes, based on this account, a predator.

That being said, there is a court and criminal justice system for a reason. While I empathize with the author, and utterly despise the archetype of high-status men who use their status within programming communities as a tool to target women, I find the nature of these kinds of posts to be counterproductive. Therapeutic to the author? Likely. A way to mobilize support? Certainly. But the method can be abused. Imagine a letter like this targeted at you one day, except unlike Mr. Pretty, you are innocent. Ask yourself if that's a possibility, and if you think that there is a zero probability of anyone maliciously weaponizing accusations of sexual misconduct.

My brother was a victim of a vicious smear by a female colleague, who falsely accused him of stalking her as a result of him calling her out one day for stealing his project and presenting it while he was traveling to the funeral of his wife's grandfather. He was able to show video footage of him picking up his son and daughter at a daycare the very moment the woman claimed he was at her house, but by then, the HR department couldn't turn back, and he was fired. (He was later sent a large gift basket by several of his coworkers who had heard from someone in HR that the charges were false, but "optics" were the reason they had to move forward with his termination.)

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rape is doing it, not insisting, I think.

Sex was had while she did not consent, she mentions in the fifth paragraph.

That is not what she says there. She says she felt uncomfortable and taken advantage of.

Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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The "share an AirBnB to be able to afford the conference" part seems particularly damning to me. That seems entirely premeditated and predatory.

"seems" doesn't mean "is", we have law systems to deal with those kind of issues. Judges are for determining where the line between "shitty partner" vs "rapist" lies.

I'm not a court, I'm a random person on the internet commenting here.
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