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Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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I think US-bias is more so class bias than race bias and this comes with a 99% correlation to racial discrimination due to the half millenium of directly ensuring certain races could not access the economy or capital or literacy. Racial discrimination also occurs. A lot of support for racial equality is lost because it is too reductive and invalidates the experience of potential allies in the majority power who exper…

The two are so incredibly intertwined given our history that it's hard to separate them. While I think talking about race without talking about class is a huge mistake, it's also a mistake to think that class in a way that doesn't take race into consideration. For instance, AAVE is seen as "low class" despite there being plenty of speakers of it who are not lower class at all. The kind of racial reductionism we've se…

Yes, and on your first point I think this will be a recurring addendum to my post. My point is that we must address the class issue between and within racial groups or simply put: American culture. It requires compartmentalizing and understanding this more heavily, instead of looking only at the result. We are chiseling at the top of an iceberg, trying to trace backwards and assuming people feel a way that many otherwise supportive people really don't feel, instead of tackling a root cause.

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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I've always wondered with things like this, could it be possible to make all interaction "text-based" until final stage? Specifically for hiring: What if applicants submitted resumes, but the name and school they attended are replaced with numbers. Then throughout the interview process all interactions were text-based and they were addressed by this number. Then offer/acceptance is based on merit (hopefully) and not…

Sounds like applying for a loan right now. The person at the bank puts a few numbers into a computer that ties to a big database maintained by Experian/TransUnion/Equifax/ProfessionalParasites, and then it decides if I should get a loan or not.

Look up redlining to see how banks accomplish this even when they're legally supposed to be blind.

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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I think US-bias is more so class bias than race bias and this comes with a 99% correlation to racial discrimination due to the half millenium of directly ensuring certain races could not access the economy or capital or literacy. Racial discrimination also occurs. A lot of support for racial equality is lost because it is too reductive and invalidates the experience of potential allies in the majority power who exper…

> A lot of support for racial equality is lost because it is too reductive and invalidates the experience of potential allies in the majority There was a study on that recently: https://osf.io/tdkf3/

released yesterday, wow

nice to see the collective conscious is producing similar paths of study

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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I've always wondered with things like this, could it be possible to make all interaction "text-based" until final stage? Specifically for hiring: What if applicants submitted resumes, but the name and school they attended are replaced with numbers. Then throughout the interview process all interactions were text-based and they were addressed by this number. Then offer/acceptance is based on merit (hopefully) and not…

I wonder if there are socioeconomic indicators in writing style, too. I wouldn't be surprised if there were, even if we consider only text in which grammar and spelling are correct. (As a small example, there are ways to sound more or less like a mathematician, even when writing about topics unrelated to math.)

If we did decide to do hiring this way, you could be sure that there would be, even if there aren't any currently.

People would try choosing their words to make them sound like they're part of the "in" group.

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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post #7

I've always wondered with things like this, could it be possible to make all interaction "text-based" until final stage? Specifically for hiring: What if applicants submitted resumes, but the name and school they attended are replaced with numbers. Then throughout the interview process all interactions were text-based and they were addressed by this number. Then offer/acceptance is based on merit (hopefully) and not…

I have wished for a system like this forever.

I have no qualms over a test. We all need to take tests.

Give all applicants a few written tests on the job they are hiring for.

The people who do well on the test are given the job on a probationary basis.

I might even exclude references, and schooling?

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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I think US-bias is more so class bias than race bias and this comes with a 99% correlation to racial discrimination due to the half millenium of directly ensuring certain races could not access the economy or capital or literacy. Racial discrimination also occurs. A lot of support for racial equality is lost because it is too reductive and invalidates the experience of potential allies in the majority power who exper…

The two are so incredibly intertwined given our history that it's hard to separate them. While I think talking about race without talking about class is a huge mistake, it's also a mistake to think that class in a way that doesn't take race into consideration. For instance, AAVE is seen as "low class" despite there being plenty of speakers of it who are not lower class at all. The kind of racial reductionism we've se…

I think class is primarily dictated by three things on a superficial level, e.g ten minutes or less of a first interaction with someone:

- How you speak

- How you dress

- How physically attractive you are, specifically in regards to things like height, fitness, and angular features.

Skin color takes a backseat to these factors in the modern era

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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post #7

I've always wondered with things like this, could it be possible to make all interaction "text-based" until final stage? Specifically for hiring: What if applicants submitted resumes, but the name and school they attended are replaced with numbers. Then throughout the interview process all interactions were text-based and they were addressed by this number. Then offer/acceptance is based on merit (hopefully) and not…

I like that but race and gender blind admissions will lead to a huge number of East Asian males which won't be tolerated.

Why would it lead to a huge number of East Asian males?

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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I've always wondered with things like this, could it be possible to make all interaction "text-based" until final stage? Specifically for hiring: What if applicants submitted resumes, but the name and school they attended are replaced with numbers. Then throughout the interview process all interactions were text-based and they were addressed by this number. Then offer/acceptance is based on merit (hopefully) and not…

Interestingly, Automattic (where I work) is completely text-based throughout the entire hiring process for many roles. The first interview is via Slack, the code test and trial stages are via pull requests, slack, and p2. It’s great because day-to-day work uses these async tools rather than calls. So it’s more accurate anyways.

Re: Study shows class bias in hiring based on few seconds of speech

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I think US-bias is more so class bias than race bias and this comes with a 99% correlation to racial discrimination due to the half millenium of directly ensuring certain races could not access the economy or capital or literacy. Racial discrimination also occurs. A lot of support for racial equality is lost because it is too reductive and invalidates the experience of potential allies in the majority power who exper…

> class bias is never addressed at all

You see this a lot in online forums, e.g. a person will blithely mock "wal-mart shoppers" or "rednecks" without rebuke and then jump down your throat with "white privilege" if they perceive the slightest possiblity of you questioning a racial bias claim.

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