So, M(n)+ or M(n+1) ?
"tentatively known as the M2"
Blasphemy! Plus then N+1!
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Not really. The main reason the M1 doesn't have good IO is that it's a beefed up ipad CPU. This was the first generation where they were putting the chips in systems that can use IO, so they probably are just behind on the design for those parts of the chip.
> The main reason the M1 doesn't have good IO is that it's a beefed up ipad CPU. This was the first generation where they were putting the chips in systems that can use IO Could you explain what you mean by this? I don't think I understand.
All of Apple’s prior ARM experience comes from iOS devices. They had no need to develop io capabilities for iPhones and iPads with a single port. Now they put the chips in computers but most likely haven’t fully yet developed extended io capabilities.
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Amazon's Graviton 2 is the M1 of the server world in my experience. It's faster, cheaper, and overall a better experience than any other instance type for most workloads. You have to get through a bit of a learning curve with multiarch or cross-compiling to ARM64 depending on what your codebase is like, but after that it's smooth sailing. Azure and Google need to really step up and get some competitive (or even any)…
It's pretty crazy how good the Graviton processors are. What's even more crazy is that you cannot buy them . Such price/perf is literally only available to rent from AWS. I hope Oxide does something about this soon; it is a sort of dangerous situation to have such a competitive advantage only be available via rental from a single (large and anticompetitive) company.
Yeah, I kinda wish Amazon would make a Graviton 2 powered laptop or dev machine. It would be really nice to develop directly on the ISA for the instance instead of cross-compiling. An Apple M1 of course works, but more ARM64 laptops need to be available. It's sad that it never got traction in the Windows hardware world.
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There are rumours of a supposed M1X that may hit before the M2, so you may be waiting a little longer than you’d think. :) Of course, the Apple rumour mill; grain of salt, etc - but I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw an M1X that could, for instance - support 32GB of RAM by the end of the year - (which is the only blocker from me buying an M1) - and pop out the M2 next year maybe with an Apple-CPU-powered Mac Pro? Food…
Yeah I guess 'M1X' vs 'M2' doesn't matter so much. As long as they've had time to work out any kinks from the first gen and increase the RAM, I'm all in.
There's missing features (like number of USB ports) but no real kinks that I've come across. Although I don't need it, I tried parallels + ARM windows + x86 windows apps on a lark and it worked without any noticable performance issues.
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#325Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Just imagine Apple releasing the Mx chips for server infrastructure. Intel ought to be sweating bullets now. edit: a word.
Give Mac software a few years to "catch up" and everything will feel just as slow as usual (and I'm not even joking, so far, software was always excellent at undoing any advancements in hardware very quickly).
No need to wait, just use Chrome to get a taste of the "future".
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#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
Amazon's Graviton 2 is the M1 of the server world in my experience. It's faster, cheaper, and overall a better experience than any other instance type for most workloads. You have to get through a bit of a learning curve with multiarch or cross-compiling to ARM64 depending on what your codebase is like, but after that it's smooth sailing. Azure and Google need to really step up and get some competitive (or even any)…
It's pretty crazy how good the Graviton processors are. What's even more crazy is that you cannot buy them . Such price/perf is literally only available to rent from AWS. I hope Oxide does something about this soon; it is a sort of dangerous situation to have such a competitive advantage only be available via rental from a single (large and anticompetitive) company.
AMD will probably "arm" up quickly, NVidia is acquiring ARM proper, Qualcomm won't sit still.
Intel? Well, maybe 12 months after they catch up to AMD in x86.
AMD's chips I've seen are decently competitive with M1. If ARM is a not-too-bad microcode adaptation and ditching a whole lot of x86 silicon real estate, AMD might be able to come to market quickly.
Intel isn't just getting pantsed in x86 by AMD and process by TSMC, they are seeing their entire ISA getting challenged. Wow are they in trouble.
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Zen 4 will probably at least match the M1, but it will be a while before those chips come out and Apple will soon improve even more.
I have a feeling that Apple has pulled ahead and will stay ahead for a LONG time. They are extending their moat. And applying Mx to VR they will create a new moat.
They started pulling ahead in the A6-A7 days and never looked back. Amazing progression.
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I don't think Apple cares much for those people, they can buy the Mac Pro or a PC if they really need the GPU power. eGPUs can be a nice addition, but I doubt Apple will release an official eGPU system. You're already limited to AMD GPUs after the clusterfuck of a fight Apple and Nvidia had, and I doubt Intel's Xe lineup will receive much love for Apple right after the Intel CPUs have been cut from Apple's products.…
> I doubt Apple will release an official eGPU system They already have one[1], and you can even buy eGPUs from the Apple Store[2]. 1. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208544 2. https://www.apple.com/sg/shop/product/HM8Y2B/A/blackmagic-eg...
That's a Radeon Pro 580, AFAIK this eGPU offering hasn't been updated in several years.
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What, in your opinion, is the drawback of the M1 product series? I haven’t read many negative reviews.
Don’t get me wrong, it looks great. But so did iPad 1 and iPhone 1, until v2 came out. The main things I would hope for though are more RAM, and probably a much beefier GPU
It’s got a better GPU than anything which uses less than 35W, probably even higher than that.
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#330If Apple is having this kind of success, it seems they should look to compete in the data center with this or the following generation of chips. I wonder if it is a good time to invest in Apple.
I think they will soon, but only for a specific use-case: MacOS and iOS development. Devops in cloud is expected these days for development and the only offerings available for it are basically mac minis jammed into a rack, often with grey-area virtual machines running. A new Xserve model and Xserve cloud service would be great!