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Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by ksec »

Reason077 wrote: post #54
mortenjorck wrote: post #39

This would be quite an accelerated timeline if Apple ships its second-generation M-series chip only eight months after the first. Typically, they’ve followed a sort of six-month tick-tock pattern for the A-series, launching a new major revision in the fall with the new iPhone, and launching an “X” revision in the spring with new iPads. I think most observers have been expecting an “M1X” for Apple's first pro-oriented…

> "I think most observers have been expecting an “M1X” for Apple's first pro-oriented ARM Macs" I'm pretty sure that's what this is, rather than a next-generation ("M2") chip. It will likely have the same cpu core designs as the M1, just more of them. And possibly paired with the new, long rumored "desktop class" Apple GPU.

Considering M1 doesn't support LPDDR5, and A15 will be in a similar time frame. I would not be surprised it will be a M2 ( Based on A15 ), or more likely a M2X.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by ogre_codes »

merdadicapra wrote: post #183
kumarvvr wrote: post #156

Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Just imagine Apple releasing the Mx chips for server infrastructure. Intel ought to be sweating bullets now. edit: a word.

1 - Apple is not going to enter the server market ever again, especially not the generalist cloud infrastructure 2 - 90% of the laptops sold Worldwide aren't Apple laptops, most of them are sub $500 laptops. Amazon best selling is ASUS Laptop L210 Ultra Thin Laptop, 11.6” HD Display, Intel Celeron N4020 Processor, 4GB RAM, 64GB Storage priced at $199 Basically only Mac users who upgraded to M1 are going to notice the…

> 90% of the laptops sold Worldwide aren't Apple laptops, most of them are sub $500 laptops.

Apple’s share of the total PC shipments is closer to 15% now and their share of the laptop market is even higher.

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Post by mrweasel »

Klonoar wrote: post #275
flohofwoe wrote: post #216

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Give Mac software a few years to "catch up" and everything will feel just as slow as usual (and I'm not even joking, so far, software was always excellent at undoing any advancements in hardware very quickly).

If you don’t run Electron apps, even an older Mac will fly. My 2015 is still astoundingly fast, it just doesn’t have Chrome bogging it down.

You can even go back to 2013 and not notice that you’re using a 7-8 year old machine. A MacBook Pro from late 2013 runs Big Sur and performs fine for most everyday use use case and any development work that doesn’t require an IDE. You just can’t run Chrome all the well, which should tell you more about Chrome than Macs.

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Post by sprite »

matwood wrote: post #290
qbasic_forever wrote: post #256

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Amazon's Graviton 2 is the M1 of the server world in my experience. It's faster, cheaper, and overall a better experience than any other instance type for most workloads. You have to get through a bit of a learning curve with multiarch or cross-compiling to ARM64 depending on what your codebase is like, but after that it's smooth sailing. Azure and Google need to really step up and get some competitive (or even any)…

Agreed. I'm busy transitioning everything I can to Graviton2 for the $/perf savings. For my Java services so far, no change. Aurora was a button click. ECS is the next thing to tackle.

I hope they add support for graviton on elastic beanstalk soon.

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Post by gpm »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #294
gpm wrote: post #48

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Eh, the Asahi linux people already have linux running on this chip. What's in it for Apple is money and better economies of scale for chips. But I don't really think it fits Apple's MO so I doubt they'll do it.

> Eh, the Asahi linux people already have linux running on this chip More specifically, people are running Linux on the CPu cores . The M1 is a system-on-chip, and according to the floorplan [1], the CPUs are maybe 1/5th of the chip. There are many other features that aren't unlocked, such as GPU (which is a brand new architecture) or power management. The latter is key to exploiting the chip to its full performance…

I think it depends on how much changes between generations. So far it seems like most of this isn't really new, but almost exactly what's been on the iDevices for a long time. If they don't re-architect substantially between generations I can see the Asahi project keeping up.

The GPU stuff is new, but it seems like good progress is being made: https://rosenzweig.io/blog/asahi-gpu-part-3.html

For data centers, it helps that GPU and so on is just less important. It's wasted Silicon, but the CPU is competitive even before considering the added features so that's not the end of the world. There's a good chance that Apple can use that to their advantage too, by using chips with broken GPUs/NNPUs in the DC... or designing a smaller chip for data centers... or one with more cores... or so on.

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Post by mrweasel »

coliveira wrote: post #291
flohofwoe wrote: post #216

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Give Mac software a few years to "catch up" and everything will feel just as slow as usual (and I'm not even joking, so far, software was always excellent at undoing any advancements in hardware very quickly).

We don't even need to wait for that. Right now web developers are creating the new generation of web-based apps that will consume everything that M1 can give and more. In fact these apps already existed, they were just largely ignored because they're so power-hungry (just look at electron and similar stuff).

Even worse: Developers will get an M-series Mac, write Electron apps that performs okay. They will then ship them as cross platform app, that will absolutely suck on any other platform.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

homarp wrote: post #252
SSLy wrote: post #239

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This is called "What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away."

and this is now called Electron trading speed of development with 'hardware optimization'. Mac being a small market, some users are still opiniated/loud enough to reward nicer/native UI vs cross-ish platform lowest common denominator UI. Maybe there is hope Arm mac stays fast.

+ Mac OS checking every binary you run over the internet.

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Post by ogre_codes »

mortenjorck wrote: post #39

This would be quite an accelerated timeline if Apple ships its second-generation M-series chip only eight months after the first. Typically, they’ve followed a sort of six-month tick-tock pattern for the A-series, launching a new major revision in the fall with the new iPhone, and launching an “X” revision in the spring with new iPads. I think most observers have been expecting an “M1X” for Apple's first pro-oriented…

Apple forecast a 2 year transition a year ago at WWDC. That means they need a processor for their base laptop/ consumer desktops. One for their high end laptops and many of their pro desktops. And arguably one to replace the Xeon in the iMac Pro and Mac Pro.

Unless they are going to use this same CPU for the Mac Pro, this is right on schedule.

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Post by jml7c5 »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #284
flohofwoe wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give Mac software a few years to "catch up" and everything will feel just as slow as usual (and I'm not even joking, so far, software was always excellent at undoing any advancements in hardware very quickly).

Is there an equivalent to Parkinson's Law ("Work expands to fill the available schedule"), where software expands to fit the available performance?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth's_law
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