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Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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I'm really hoping Alder Lake or a similar AMD product gets PC closer to M1+ performance and battery consumption. The M1 chip is amazing but I'm a tiling window manager man.

https://ianyh.com/amethyst/

Not sure why you're being down voted, I use Amethyst and love it.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Give Mac software a few years to "catch up" and everything will feel just as slow as usual (and I'm not even joking, so far, software was always excellent at undoing any advancements in hardware very quickly).

This is called "What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away."

and this is now called Electron

trading speed of development with 'hardware optimization'.

Mac being a small market, some users are still opiniated/loud enough to reward nicer/native UI vs cross-ish platform lowest common denominator UI. Maybe there is hope Arm mac stays fast.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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> I am rocking 5950X Irrelevant from a mass market perspective. That chip is still out of stock at Best Buy and the Amazon third party version is marked up 54% versus MSRP. Incidentally the 11900k is also out of stock at many retailers, but it's so much cheaper. You can still buy a pre-binned version that clocks 5.1GHz; even with markup that costs 30% less than the aforementioned third party 5950x. Availability and p…

Mass market isn't buying individual PC parts and assembling the PC, they're buying prebuilts or using whatever their office mass-purchased. Go on dell.com right now and you can order a PC with a 5950x and RTX 3080. Good luck buying either of those individually without writing a web bot.

I just did. Fastest delivery (express) for ALIENWARE AURORA RYZEN™ EDITION R10 GAMING DESKTOP with base specs aside from 5950x and the cheapest liquid cooler (required by Dell for that CPU) is May 26. Some of the higher end default/featured configurations would deliver in late June. Not sure whats up with that.

Honestly the price/performance ratio there is pretty nice in the eyes of a Mac user like me, but I don't know what office is buying Alienware, and a bulk order would no doubt take longer to deliver. Those are the only machines popping up when you filter for AMD 5000 series on dell.com.

Considering that 5950x is AM4 compatible, folks who had bought a pre-built machine and want to upgrade are also part of the mass market. And I think you can't discredit the homebuilt PC crowd for a high-end desktop chip. The people who care enough to want this chip can probably figure out how to clip it into a motherboard and tighten a few screws and connectors here and there.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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I use a 55" 4K Samsung TV as a monitor. It cold boots quickly and has no latency or subsampling issues in the right mode. I can recommend it as a more cost effective alternative to multiple monitors. The amount of available screen space at 1:1 is refreshing (not as crazy as imagined though), but it makes me realize how grainy "normal" monitors are. In some years 8K TVs might be cheap enough for an upgrade, but on tha…

One thing about TV's is that they are grainy up close. Being a 55" you probably don't sit very close to it, but how does it overall feel e.g. in font quality? And I also wonder if it's good for your eyes to focus on something that's constantly far away. I would think a mixture of the two (normal distance to a PC monitor with frequent breaks) would be preferred.

> One thing about TV's is that they are grainy up close.

Most TV's have a "gaming" setting that doesn't try to "improve" the video feed and just passes it through.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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I’m reading somewhat incompatible reactions in the top level comments e.g. [1] > Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Another [2]: > I really want the next MacBook Pro to support driving two 4K monitors ove…

How are the reactions incompatible? People like me, who don't need more than 16 GB of RAM and one monitor, are happy with the M1. Other people are waiting on the M1X/M2 chip to bring what they need. > meanwhile the Intel Surface Book was fanless in 2017 The MacBook was fanless in 2015 and, like many other fanless designs using Intel chips, it was slow.

> Other people are waiting on the M1X/M2 chip to bring what they need.

Well those people must have been bullish on Apple Silicon and 'not just' M1. They think its worth skipping over M1 rather than going all in on the 1st gen product which at the time had primitive support for most mainstream software, especially for developers.

Maybe Apple knew that the M1 could not drive more than 1 monitor on the Macbook Air and in fact left that limitation in with a small disclaimer.

Perhaps they will announce this capability in the M2 Macs.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Just imagine Apple releasing the Mx chips for server infrastructure. Intel ought to be sweating bullets now. edit: a word.

Amazon's Graviton 2 is the M1 of the server world in my experience. It's faster, cheaper, and overall a better experience than any other instance type for most workloads. You have to get through a bit of a learning curve with multiarch or cross-compiling to ARM64 depending on what your codebase is like, but after that it's smooth sailing.

Azure and Google need to really step up and get some competitive (or even any) ARM instances--fast.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Edit: double posted https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26957269

This is not an oxymoron. You can both feel that the M1 chip is superior to previous designs in most aspects, and admit that it is lacking in others.

I consider the ability to drive more than one external display to be directly related to the power and design of the chip.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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soldered ram and SSD coupled with SSD Wear issues leading to a less than 3 year lifespan of a laptop makes all of this a hard pass for me, and should be for any sensible person too.

Not sure why you are downvoted, but this is true is it not? It's even worse with Apple Silicon machines since if the SSD dies, well the whole thing is bricked. Unlike the Intel Macs.

It seems the Mac aficionados (Especially the M1 fanatics) are in denial of the degree of lock-in with the Mac as it gradually descends into become nearly as locked in as an iPhone.

I'd give it 0.1 out of 10 for repairability. At least with the latest Surface line-up the SSD can be upgraded.

Re: Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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I’m reading somewhat incompatible reactions in the top level comments e.g. [1] > Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Another [2]: > I really want the next MacBook Pro to support driving two 4K monitors ove…

How are the reactions incompatible? People like me, who don't need more than 16 GB of RAM and one monitor, are happy with the M1. Other people are waiting on the M1X/M2 chip to bring what they need. > meanwhile the Intel Surface Book was fanless in 2017 The MacBook was fanless in 2015 and, like many other fanless designs using Intel chips, it was slow.

> How are the reactions incompatible? People like me, who don't need more than 16 GB of RAM and one monitor, are happy with the M1. Other people are waiting on the M1X/M2 chip to bring what they need.

I agree with your nuance.

> The MacBook was fanless in 2015 and, like many other fanless designs using Intel chips, it was slow.

The Surface Book 2/3 and M1 MacBook Air are not slow (hence the point of my comparison)

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