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Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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They haven't.

Ask spaniards or italians, I know it well. Regulation and taxes have eaten up all the economic potential.

Please provide some statistics. Your personal opinion is just that. While I can probably agree that the middle class is not doing great the last decade or so, I'm pretty sure the EU has gotten richer.

For example 25 to 31k Euro GDP per capita for 2012-2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_European_Union

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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post #47

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What point do you think you're making with that quote? They use Chinese components... to manufacture planes... in Europe.

What point did you think I was making initially? "plus a lot of assembly to be able to call the final product e.g. "german made" and have the associated tax-cuts..." Or, in your words: "They use Chinese components... to manufacture planes... in Europe."

I don't think you can intelligently describe building aeroplanes as just 'assembly' work.

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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Seems to work alright.

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You should ask your national authority, they are the ones in charge of it. Though they do seem to be doing a bad job of informing you.

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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TSMC got where it is today because of the Taiwanese government. Same goes for ASML- bled money for decades but the Dutch government grants managed to get them over the finish line. Canon and Nikon had the misfortune that the Japanese government was too busy saving the economy after the crash. Government sugar daddies. The dark secret neoliberals don't want you to know.

Any source on TSMC needing massive government funding in the start. As much I can find, government gave some funding for the initial research and that it is 80% owned by corporations.

> Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company Ltd. was officially formed in 1987 as a joint venture between the Taiwan government (21%), Dutch multinational electronics giant Philips (28%), and other private investors.

Source: https://semiwiki.com/semiconductor-manufacturers/tsmc/1539-a...

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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> I don't understand - do you think there is no manufacturing in Europe? A lot of minor manufacturing, plus a lot of assembly to be able to call the final product e.g. "german made" and have the associated tax-cuts...

Minor manufacturing like Airbus? What would be "major" manufacturing in your logic? I see the EU on the same level as the US. Do you disagree? And if so, why?

The EU's industrial sector is larger than that of the US as percentage of GDP (25% vs 20%). Both below Japan (30%) and China (40%). [1]

[1] https://www.ecb.europa.eu/mopo/eaec/html/index.en.html

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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You should ask your national authority, they are the ones in charge of it. Though they do seem to be doing a bad job of informing you.

Until this day, the EU only vaccinated around 20% of its population with one dose of the vaccine, the USA did 40% and the UK 50%.

The vaccines were bought by the EU and distributed by a quota system to individual member countries.

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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post #34

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They haven't.

Ask spaniards or italians, I know it well. Regulation and taxes have eaten up all the economic potential.

If this is the extent of your economic analysis, it's not very good.

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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Around 2004 I visited the chipmaking industry in Dresden on a university field trip. We went to AMD and to AMTC (Advanced Mask Technology Center). It looked like they were doing pretty well, they were increasing production capacity and also doing research, and AMD and others were investing a lot of money. I think now the whole campus belongs to Globalfoundaries. It is really sad how the domestic/western production be…

Germany lost its edge not because of missing subsidies but because there are too many of them. Germany is taxing companies and people too much (40-50%) so capital is leaving the country. Actually, the same can be said about most of the western Europe.

They tried cutting taxes like crazy since Reagan and it's been a complete and utter bust.

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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post #47

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What point do you think you're making with that quote? They use Chinese components... to manufacture planes... in Europe.

What point did you think I was making initially? "plus a lot of assembly to be able to call the final product e.g. "german made" and have the associated tax-cuts..." Or, in your words: "They use Chinese components... to manufacture planes... in Europe."

All _key_ components for large airplanes are made either in the EU, Israel, CA or USA.

By contrast, the Chinese COMAC airplane consists largely of of imported parts.

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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Can someone explain to me why the knowhow that European companies like ASML have can't be used to build these foundries. Why do they need Intel or TSMC?

>why the knowhow that European companies like ASML have can't be used to build these foundries

chip production is not simply buying off the shelf equipment and magically you can get to 10nm max yield that is profitable.

equipment is one part of the whole production process. ASML may know how to build EUV but their skillset is not running the fab. if all you need is equipment, why Intel is struggling with 10nm for so long?

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