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Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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Post by eastendguy »

lnsru wrote: post #3

Will I get lots of rotten tomatoes telling, that this is a huge waste of money? Chips production is one thing, but the whole ecosystem matters. So these chips produced in Europe must be sent back to Asia for integration in final products. Or a miracle will happen and European Union will resurrect manufacturing? I doubt, because manufacturing means missing climate goals.

Europe has plenty of manufacturing.

>I doubt, because manufacturing means missing climate goals.

So you are saying a chip factory can not be powered by green energy. Why? Taiwan does it, too: https://www.evwind.es/2020/07/08/orsted-taiwans-tsmc-sign-wo...

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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Post by eastendguy »

coldtea wrote: post #10
chrisseaton wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So these chips produced in Europe must be sent back to Asia for integration in final products. Or a miracle will happen and European Union will resurrect manufacturing? I don't understand - do you think there is no manufacturing in Europe? To give a concrete example - some European car factories are shut down due to... lack of chips.

> I don't understand - do you think there is no manufacturing in Europe? A lot of minor manufacturing, plus a lot of assembly to be able to call the final product e.g. "german made" and have the associated tax-cuts...

Minor manufacturing like Airbus? What would be "major" manufacturing in your logic? I see the EU on the same level as the US. Do you disagree? And if so, why?

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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Post by chrisseaton »

coldtea wrote: post #10
chrisseaton wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So these chips produced in Europe must be sent back to Asia for integration in final products. Or a miracle will happen and European Union will resurrect manufacturing? I don't understand - do you think there is no manufacturing in Europe? To give a concrete example - some European car factories are shut down due to... lack of chips.

> I don't understand - do you think there is no manufacturing in Europe? A lot of minor manufacturing, plus a lot of assembly to be able to call the final product e.g. "german made" and have the associated tax-cuts...

> A lot of minor manufacturing

Europe is the second largest manufacturer of cars for example. And half the world's planes are made here. That's not minor.

> plus a lot of assembly

Right... assembling chips into things for example.

Wasn't that the point? The chips don't need to be sent to Asia in order to put them in products.

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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Post by Areading314 »

eastendguy wrote: post #11
lnsru wrote: post #3

Will I get lots of rotten tomatoes telling, that this is a huge waste of money? Chips production is one thing, but the whole ecosystem matters. So these chips produced in Europe must be sent back to Asia for integration in final products. Or a miracle will happen and European Union will resurrect manufacturing? I doubt, because manufacturing means missing climate goals.

Europe has plenty of manufacturing. >I doubt, because manufacturing means missing climate goals. So you are saying a chip factory can not be powered by green energy. Why? Taiwan does it, too: https://www.evwind.es/2020/07/08/orsted-taiwans-tsmc-sign-wo...

More the things containing chips like plastic widgets and appliances

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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Post by rapsey »

coldtea wrote: post #10
chrisseaton wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So these chips produced in Europe must be sent back to Asia for integration in final products. Or a miracle will happen and European Union will resurrect manufacturing? I don't understand - do you think there is no manufacturing in Europe? To give a concrete example - some European car factories are shut down due to... lack of chips.

> I don't understand - do you think there is no manufacturing in Europe? A lot of minor manufacturing, plus a lot of assembly to be able to call the final product e.g. "german made" and have the associated tax-cuts...

Assembly of parts mostly made in other countries of europe...

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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Post by lnsru »

chrisseaton wrote: post #13
coldtea wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't understand - do you think there is no manufacturing in Europe? A lot of minor manufacturing, plus a lot of assembly to be able to call the final product e.g. "german made" and have the associated tax-cuts...

> A lot of minor manufacturing Europe is the second largest manufacturer of cars for example. And half the world's planes are made here. That's not minor. > plus a lot of assembly Right... assembling chips into things for example. Wasn't that the point? The chips don't need to be sent to Asia in order to put them in products.

Well I have car made in Germany, I don’t own a plane. But most of my possessions are manufactured in Asia. 2 Philips displays are made in China as the label on the back says. Apple phones too. Computers in China and Taiwan.

Re: Europe Is Trying to Reclaim Its Lost Chipmaking Glory

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Post by coldtea »

eastendguy wrote: post #12
coldtea wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't understand - do you think there is no manufacturing in Europe? A lot of minor manufacturing, plus a lot of assembly to be able to call the final product e.g. "german made" and have the associated tax-cuts...

Minor manufacturing like Airbus? What would be "major" manufacturing in your logic? I see the EU on the same level as the US. Do you disagree? And if so, why?

From Airbus own words: "Airbus values not only its relationship with airlines and helicopter operators in China, it also appreciates the enormous value offered by Chinese industry; components produced by Chinese companies are currently found on all production Airbus commercial jetliner types."
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