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Re: Tesla Q1 2021 Results

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Post by jiofih »

yarcob wrote: post #417
chrisseaton wrote: post #382

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> they have no family cars Why can’t you use a Tesla for a family car? Most of them have four seats. What else do you need for most families?

With "family car" I meant something like the VW Touran. A somewhat affordable car that still has enough space for all the stuff you might want to take along, like strollers, backpacks, scooters, kid bikes, skis, helmets, boots whatever. (Not all of that at the same time obviously) There isn't really a great EV in that category yet, but I hope it's just a question of time. Obviously you can use any car as a family car…

That’s exactly what the Model Y and Model X are. Both beat an ID4 in cargo volume without even counting the frunk (which VWs don’t have).

Even the smaller Model 3 is plenty for a 4-person family, while it doesn’t beat in liters because of ceiling height the trunk is very spacious.

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Post by parski »

3dee wrote: post #292
lumost wrote: post #224

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I had to look it up but for reference in Q1 2021 the big auto makers delivered the following. Ford: 521,334 GM: 642,250 Toyota: 2.46 million VW: 2.5 million If Tesla holds up they'll be larger than Ford in 2 years and be the largest automaker in the world in 4 years.

Right now Tesla is outperforming competition on three points: * 0-100km/h times * Range * Charging network I believe most people don't care about the 0-100 speed. And most people can live with a little less range. So this leaves the network as a selling point. I believe it depends on the country how important this is. For example in the Netherlands you can cross the whole country on one charge. So you don't need a ne…

Charging network got me to buy a Tesla over an IONIQ 5 a few weeks ago. I used to drive a Kia e-Niro and we'd use Plugshare to find odd fast chargers at fast food restaurants or gas stations and pray they weren't occupied when we got there or else we'd hop a few minutes to the next one. It can get super frustrating if you're out of luck. Maybe next car if the network is good enough.

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Post by 0x0203 »

simonh wrote: post #352
pyrale wrote: post #271

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And they'll produce more cars than there are atoms in the universe before the end of this century.

If the singularity happens on schedule they'll all be paperclips long before then.

Universal Paperclips reference for anyone wondering. An absolutely wonderful little game.

https://www.decisionproblem.com/paperclips/index2.html

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Post by natch »

yarcob wrote: post #304
watt wrote: post #262

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When you sold 1 car yesterday, and sell 2 today, you have doubled your sales. It's misleading to talk about growth in terms of percentage points (or doubling/tripling, etc), if it's somewhat low numbers.

VW has just started selling their first "real" electric cars based on their all new platform. If that platform works out then Tesla is going to compete not against one or two new models, but they'll suddenly compete against two dozen models. Unless VW fucks something up in the next year, I just don't know how Tesla expects to compete with them. Tesla only has a handful of high end cars; they have no family cars, no v…

Superchargers.

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Post by jiofih »

deanak wrote: post #467
chrisseaton wrote: post #387

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I don’t really get what you mean, sorry? Why does a family need different wiper controls to a single person? And obviously you can put people and things in a Tesla.

So the person responsible for keeping their family alive doesn't look away from the road trying to perform a very common task. A car is designed around the idea that maintaining the driver's attention on the road is the primary function. I am not sure what is driving the design of Teslas for the newer models. I like Teslas in general, but their decision to remove things like buttons and stalks from their vehicles is…

You’d imagine they would have engineers think about this stuff. Such dummies!

Looking forward for that link of a death caused by operating the wipers. I haven’t touched mine (not Tesla) for years since they work automatically, maybe other families have special windshield wiper adjustment needs?

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Post by jiofih »

easton wrote: post #419
chrisseaton wrote: post #387

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I don’t really get what you mean, sorry? Why does a family need different wiper controls to a single person? And obviously you can put people and things in a Tesla.

They’re saying that it’s not a real “car” unless there’s physical wiper controls.

Or reins. Steering wheels are inaccurate and a dangerous invention, people have already died because of it.

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Post by natch »

deanak wrote: post #386
chrisseaton wrote: post #382

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> they have no family cars Why can’t you use a Tesla for a family car? Most of them have four seats. What else do you need for most families?

A non-touchscreen way to operate windshield wipers. VW makes a car with an electric drivetrain, Tesla makes an electric drivetrain with a place to put people and things.

Teslas have a physical button that controls the wipers when needed. They also can run automatically. Finally they also can be operated via the touch screen, but I never use this last option. You seem to think it’s the only option, but that’s not the case.

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Post by jiofih »

volta83 wrote: post #409
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #397

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How do you think these people travel to visit their families every couple of months ? They do 1000km per way trips with the car. The average annual milage across the whole of the EU is 12,000Km per year, it's even lower in Eastern Europe. Most people aren't making these sort of trips regularly. You are an outlier.

> The average annual milage across the whole of the EU is 12,000Km per year, it's even lower in Eastern Europe. I do these trips every 2 months. My average mileage is 9,000 - 10,0000km per year. I don't really know what point you are trying to make with average mileage or where you got that number from. But average mileage doesn't say anything about the frequency and the length of the trips people do on their cars. M…

800km * 2 * 6 times a year = 9600km

So you don’t use your car for anything else at all during the year?

Either you’re misreporting how many times you travel (you said “a couple times” earlier) or your yearly mileage.

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Post by lofi_lory »

yarcob wrote: post #304
watt wrote: post #262

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When you sold 1 car yesterday, and sell 2 today, you have doubled your sales. It's misleading to talk about growth in terms of percentage points (or doubling/tripling, etc), if it's somewhat low numbers.

VW has just started selling their first "real" electric cars based on their all new platform. If that platform works out then Tesla is going to compete not against one or two new models, but they'll suddenly compete against two dozen models. Unless VW fucks something up in the next year, I just don't know how Tesla expects to compete with them. Tesla only has a handful of high end cars; they have no family cars, no v…

As a German, I don't see VW getting it together rapidly.

Germany doesn't get life in #Neuland. VW and most of the German industry are respective leaders in some niche by being good at through mechanical engineering IP. Electrical cars are simple. Innovation is in software, DRM business models and battery tech which is all completely foreign to the German industry. People here get Teslas for the charging infrastructure alone, as the alternative is a huge mess. Don't forget, VW is still trying hard to lobby for their known turf, pushing for hybrids and hydrogen combustion mechanical marvels...

Germany doesn't get it. The pandemic has shown, the era of old white me... industrialist has forced the country between a rock and a hard place.

While Musk is shooting consumer internet into space, our leaders had long, exhausting talks, recognizing Germany's need to modernize and embrace technical progression and they fearlessly concluded: It's time to let go of fax by 2030.

Re: Tesla Q1 2021 Results

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Post by natch »

deanak wrote: post #466
zwily wrote: post #464

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My X has wiper controls on the stalk. Does that make it a real car for you?

https://electrek.co/2020/08/04/tesla-wiper-controls-ruled-il...

That doesn’t take away the fact that the physical controls are there for the using.

As well as automatic and voice controls.

As with any car, if the driver chooses to look away from the road for any reason, they have to be responsible about it, and they did have other options here.

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