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Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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TV manufacturers have mostly chosen to create and maintain their own ecosystems. This is actually a declining trend. LG and Samsung do but Moore's law has gotten it to a point where Android TV and, in fact Roku's platform are becoming much more prevalent on TVs, particularly some of the newer lower end devices. There's a large cost to maintaining your own HTML based platform (which is what most 3rd parties are) and t…

My TV has Roku built-in and it’s extremely frustrating. It’s super slow, it uses some surround sound virtualization (or something) for the stereo speakers with no option to turn it off despite being terrible (you can barely hear speech, but music and effects are extremely loud), the remote has shortcut buttons for things I don’t even use (google play and sling), there’s advertisements every time I turn on my tv and o…

I've had TVs with Android, LG's OS, Samsung's OS, etc... They all suck.

I currently have a really nice Sony with Android TV, but I had so many problems with the built-in Android that I plugged an nVidia Shield box into it instead and all those problems went away.

The other OS's all had their own issues, but the worst part of them was, like your Roku, the slowness. Everything is massively underpowered. Nobody wants to wait for the TV to slowly load apps when they want to be watching something.

In addition, other than Android, all of them tend to lag behind on updates after the initial launch of the each app.

So now I ignore whatever is on the TV and use an external box. I've considered FireTV and Roku again, but every time I look into them, I read about problems that I don't want to have (like this article) and so I stick with nVidia Shield boxes.

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HBO Max was delayed in appearing on Roku because of negotiation breakdowns. In the case HBO it was Roku that seemed to have the demands. They are looking at revenue anywhere they can, but if their position weakens look for Google, ATT, and others to simply forgo working with them. I think Roku is in a perilous position in general. They generated a lot of buzz on Wallstreet with their high user counts. They also purch…

I think we probably hang out in different crowds. I have a Chromecast, and various consoles. Roku is still the best overall (despite shortcomings). Everyone I know who bought a Roku prefers it to all the other options. Can anyone tell me what other streaming devices have over Roku? What I need: - A real remote. Not going to use my phone to control things. - Good search. When I search, I want results from most of the…

I use AndroidTV via an nVidia Shield TV box.

My TV actually has Android, but due to multiple problems that resulted in me having to reset my TV to factory and set everything up again, I went back to my older nVidia Shield.

We now have the Shield on both TVs in the house, and they both work great.

With all the Android phones out there, nobody is going to skip Android as a device when launching their service. (Unlike Roku, which is a decision they have to make.) They also tend to update their apps a lot more often, so you always end up with the latest bugfixes and improvements. And the number of users guarantees that bugs get reported and fixed.

It doesn't fit your "affordable" point, though. We're talking $200, not $30. I've had mine quite a few years, though, and it's been well worth it.

Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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TV manufacturers have mostly chosen to create and maintain their own ecosystems. This is actually a declining trend. LG and Samsung do but Moore's law has gotten it to a point where Android TV and, in fact Roku's platform are becoming much more prevalent on TVs, particularly some of the newer lower end devices. There's a large cost to maintaining your own HTML based platform (which is what most 3rd parties are) and t…

My TV has Roku built-in and it’s extremely frustrating. It’s super slow, it uses some surround sound virtualization (or something) for the stereo speakers with no option to turn it off despite being terrible (you can barely hear speech, but music and effects are extremely loud), the remote has shortcut buttons for things I don’t even use (google play and sling), there’s advertisements every time I turn on my tv and o…

It's probably not Roku that's at fault for the slowness, but rather the TV manufacturer cutting corners at the CPU/RAM. (Yet another case why there should be a modular standard for "smart TV" brains)

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Either YouTube requires VP9 and then everybody has to implement it, or it allows other codecs and leaves Roku alone. What's the point of singling them out?

Because VP9 is much, much cheaper for: - Google, who doesn't have to pay royalties - Google and consumers, who can enjoy better compression and lower bandwidth - Consumers, who can enjoy a much more mainstream video encoding format in not just YT but pretty much every app. Google doesn't want to write off 45% of the set-top market right away, but at the same time it's 100% in the right to demand Roku support modern r…

That doesn't answer my question though. If they offer non-VP9 YouTube to some, they must offer it to all.

Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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My TV has Roku built-in and it’s extremely frustrating. It’s super slow, it uses some surround sound virtualization (or something) for the stereo speakers with no option to turn it off despite being terrible (you can barely hear speech, but music and effects are extremely loud), the remote has shortcut buttons for things I don’t even use (google play and sling), there’s advertisements every time I turn on my tv and o…

I've had TVs with Android, LG's OS, Samsung's OS, etc... They all suck. I currently have a really nice Sony with Android TV, but I had so many problems with the built-in Android that I plugged an nVidia Shield box into it instead and all those problems went away. The other OS's all had their own issues, but the worst part of them was, like your Roku, the slowness. Everything is massively underpowered. Nobody wants to…

I plugged an nVidia Shield box into it instead and all those problems went away.

Can confirm. I tried a bunch of different things (even the OUYA), went to support smaller companies (Wetek) but it was all one big mess and impossible to have a couple of days pass by without a crash of either the viewer programs or just the complete OS getting stucked. I feel sorry for them, but really this thing should be like a plain analog TV which worked (in my area) fine every single day for decades. The Shield does this for me. Think I had one crash of the local TV streaming app in the past months, for the rest it has been working flawlessly for years and didn't even have to replace the remote's batteries yet. That is how such dedicated hardware should just work.

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After all this time Roku still does not sell units in my country and I suspect they barely have a presence outside North America. Not really a surprise that companies who refuse to sell products to diverse markets fail to keep their revenue safe.

This is a big short coming for Roku, they not only have three or four European language options only, but developers have to actually spend time coding UTF8 support. So far the only apps that I use that don't show Japanese as squares or worse blanks is the Apple airplay app (which shipped initially without support) and the YouTube app. It's a frustrating experience using Plex with properly named shows, but atleast bu…

What does Roku require of app developers to support UTF8? Honestly wondering because it seems so bizarre that they would make it more difficult than any other app platform.

Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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HBO Max was delayed in appearing on Roku because of negotiation breakdowns. In the case HBO it was Roku that seemed to have the demands. They are looking at revenue anywhere they can, but if their position weakens look for Google, ATT, and others to simply forgo working with them. I think Roku is in a perilous position in general. They generated a lot of buzz on Wallstreet with their high user counts. They also purch…

> HBO Max was delayed in appearing on Roku because of negotiation breakdowns. In the case HBO it was Roku that seemed to have the demands. They are looking at revenue anywhere they can, but if their position weakens look for Google, ATT, and others to simply forgo working with them.

That's when I ditched Roku. Android devices are cheap enough and arguably a little better.

Roku really has no lock-in - their entire value proposition is "you can stream the services you want on this cheap device." Nobody buys Roku because of the "Roku ecosystem" or "network effects" or anything else - they just buy it because it's cheap and (supposedly) works.

When it stops working - and it doesn't matter why - it's easily replaced.

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I don't understand how this isn't common knowledge: smart TVs are universally bad. This was figured out years ago. Just get a good screen + hdmi/dvi port and attach your laptop. No ads on your screensaver, no screen tracking that otherwise wouldn't happen, it's fast, it's 100% compatible with all platforms and media (if not legally, then through torrents).

If your laptop works, and your screen works, then this setup works. What's the downside?

Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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I don't understand how this isn't common knowledge: smart TVs are universally bad. This was figured out years ago. Just get a good screen + hdmi/dvi port and attach your laptop. No ads on your screensaver, no screen tracking that otherwise wouldn't happen, it's fast, it's 100% compatible with all platforms and media (if not legally, then through torrents). If your laptop works, and your screen works, then this setup…

i don't want to have to use a pc when i watch tv

Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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Roku is actually more heavy handed than Apple. Apple allows any streaming provider to be on the AppleTV without making any kind of deal or negotiation. No, streaming providers do not have to give Apple a cut. They can force you to pay on their website. You can not pay for Hulu Live, Youtube Live TV, Netflix or many others through the App Store.

> You can not pay for Hulu Live, Youtube Live TV, Netflix or many others through the App Store. Is this a comparison with Roku? Whenever I buy stuff using a Roku app, Roku is not involved.

The main point was that you can not just download the Roku SDK, make sure you follow their rules and submit it for approval. Roku wants revenue sharing deals - even for advertising - and sometimes asks for ad inventory.

The comment you quoted was specifically for people who I knew would reply about Apple “forcing” content providers to use in app purchasing.

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