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The Origins of the Wirecard Scandal

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Re: The Origins of the Wirecard Scandal

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Well, I don't think this article does a good job at explaining the scandal. It seems to me the author had a thesis and is mostly occupied with explaining that. What makes wirecard interesting are all these connections with politicians, oligarchs, secret services etc. Some day in the not so distant future, somebody will make a tv series out of this.

I agree that there are more salacious details that the author didn't really touch on (particularly concerning Marsalek), but I think the author's embedding of the scandal in the political and economic fabric of post-war Germany was quite well done.

(Oh, and I do hope there'll be a TV series!)

Re: The Origins of the Wirecard Scandal

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There are federal elections in September in Germany. CDU just fell behind the Green Party in recent polls and SPD (whose Olaf Scholz ultimatively was in charge of BaFin) is a shadow of it's former self anyway. I do not think the everything will turn for the better, but I am hopeful that some actions will be taken. The political style of Merkel - and Germany as a whole for that matter - of a steady hand and waiting fo…

So many wishful thinking. I bet there will be no changes after election. Why should it be? Germany will continue slowly declining with whole Europe. This pandemic management was/is real shitshow.

The universities are other funny thing. They have no future with heavily underpaid staff and work contracts for 6-12 month working contracts. Max Planck and Fraunhofer are sweatshops for industrial partners. They do the tasks for industry at 40% costs, again 1 year contracts and sad salary.

I don’t want to start about general technical level in Germany. I want to cry when I think about coming relocation and registering whole family in another city. Plus car. Plus another school. It’s all filing tens of pages and using snail mail or showing up in person. Or using fax machine as a modern solution.

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post #22

There are federal elections in September in Germany. CDU just fell behind the Green Party in recent polls and SPD (whose Olaf Scholz ultimatively was in charge of BaFin) is a shadow of it's former self anyway. I do not think the everything will turn for the better, but I am hopeful that some actions will be taken. The political style of Merkel - and Germany as a whole for that matter - of a steady hand and waiting fo…

So many wishful thinking. I bet there will be no changes after election. Why should it be? Germany will continue slowly declining with whole Europe. This pandemic management was/is real shitshow. The universities are other funny thing. They have no future with heavily underpaid staff and work contracts for 6-12 month working contracts. Max Planck and Fraunhofer are sweatshops for industrial partners. They do the task…

> This pandemic management was/is real shitshow.

Why was the pandemic management a real shitshow?

Re: The Origins of the Wirecard Scandal

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There are federal elections in September in Germany. CDU just fell behind the Green Party in recent polls and SPD (whose Olaf Scholz ultimatively was in charge of BaFin) is a shadow of it's former self anyway. I do not think the everything will turn for the better, but I am hopeful that some actions will be taken. The political style of Merkel - and Germany as a whole for that matter - of a steady hand and waiting fo…

>I take a socially relatively cohesive country, where an illness or going to university will not bankrupt you, where your kids can travel alone in public transportation, where police shootings per year are single digits, where the air is very breathable and the tap water is drinkable over world leadership any time

You're obviously entitled to your oppinion, but can we please stop pushing this cherry picked cliché narrative of "US bad because healthcare, shootings and tap water."? That's like saying Europe suffers from mass terrorist attacks and sexual assaults on young women.

>We can always pump some billions into football or another sport once in a while and watch the nation win the world cup, if we really need to dominate something for no good reason

Why not pump some billions in local unskilled wages and stricter enforcement of regulations so that foreign workers won't have to get exploited by unscrupulous German businesses?[1] That would be for an actual good reason IMHO.

[1]https://www.dw.com/en/germany-meat-industry-conditions/a-540...

Re: The Origins of the Wirecard Scandal

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Germany has their share of scandals.. Volkswagen, Deutsche Bank, Sparkasse, other banks.. Wirecard.. but politicians of course had no idea.. afterwards they are all shocked and surprised.. sigh. Especially Wirecard.. is such a failure on so many levels. Lead me to the conclusion: 90% of people half ass everything. It's like "The Wire" all the way. I bet you even Google, Apple and Facebook half ass stuff.. it's just a…

I had heard about the Wirecard scandal, but didn’t know the details. Having read the article now, I do wonder how Ernst & Young signed off on Wirecard’s accounts.

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Re: The Origins of the Wirecard Scandal

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post #22

There are federal elections in September in Germany. CDU just fell behind the Green Party in recent polls and SPD (whose Olaf Scholz ultimatively was in charge of BaFin) is a shadow of it's former self anyway. I do not think the everything will turn for the better, but I am hopeful that some actions will be taken. The political style of Merkel - and Germany as a whole for that matter - of a steady hand and waiting fo…

So many wishful thinking. I bet there will be no changes after election. Why should it be? Germany will continue slowly declining with whole Europe. This pandemic management was/is real shitshow. The universities are other funny thing. They have no future with heavily underpaid staff and work contracts for 6-12 month working contracts. Max Planck and Fraunhofer are sweatshops for industrial partners. They do the task…

Oh come on, there is amazing progress in Germany on digitalisation and hi-tech. The government of Upper Frankonia is now switching from 4-digit fax numbers to 5-digit fax numbers!

https://www.regierung.oberfranken.bayern.de/presse/pressemit...

Re: The Origins of the Wirecard Scandal

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A couple of observations:

- this isn't the authoritative article on the origins of the wirecard scandal that the title would have you believe. It would be nice to read such an article but this isn't it.

- BaFin, the German regulator has historically been the one to trust but failed to verify. This to a large extent because they didn't have the budget or the staff to do their work properly, traits it shares with many other regulators around the world.

- Another problem is that regulators tend to have a two-way revolving door with the industry they are supposed to regulate. It is pretty rare to see a regulator that really takes such an industry to task.

- Finally, and more worrisome: Europe and the United States have both stopped being hungry. Yes, SV gives the USA a headstart for now, but keep in mind that SV is a spin-off of the MIC, and that without that MIC SV would have not existed as a phenomenon. The 'silicon' in silicon valley doesn't point to servers or hardware but to a much more basic element: the transistor, which displaced the vacuum tube. Back in the vacuum tube days electronics factories were much more wide-spread across the globe than they are today, the tech was much simpler and as a consequence the entry level was a lot lower. Once a country could make glass making vacuum tubes was a relatively small step away.

The distance between making glass and making modern chips is 50 years of investment in technology, a time horizon only very few regimes operate at, and usually those happen to be the plan-economies.

So for everybody else the doors are now firmly closed. Europe is on the backfoot, within another 50 years or so I expect the United States to be on the backfoot too.

Scandals like Wirecard are less rooted in the cycles of ascendancy of the tech world (though as a 'darling' Wirecard got away with more than they should have been able to) than they are in the simple fact that regulators are not operating independent of the industries they regulate.

Boeing 737 Max anybody?

Re: The Origins of the Wirecard Scandal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know if it's intentional separation of powers. The American culture is very individualistic, especially compared to the German. This just naturally means that American companies tend to "go it alone" in relation to the public sector for longer than they would in Germany. Certainly when American companies get to the right size they seem to become much closer to the political bodies that matter to them and thei…

>The American culture is very individualistic, especially compared to the German. I wouldn't rush to this conclusion. US billionaires usually run many charity funds whereas German billionaires rarely do anything like that. Also, German businesses owners don't seem to mind exploiting people's health and the environment (VW emissions scandal) or foreign workers [1] if it makes them money, so I think the same issues tha…

You can generalize that: German government doesn't mind exploiting people's health and the environment, and prioritizes industry interests. Two current examples: the ongoing ignorance about ground water pollution [1], and the Diesel air pollution affair, which is far from being over [2].

[1] https://www.dw.com/en/eu-sues-germany-over-water-tainted-by-... [2] https://www.rhein-zeitung.de/deutschland-und-welt/wirtschaft... (no English source)

Re: The Origins of the Wirecard Scandal

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post #22

There are federal elections in September in Germany. CDU just fell behind the Green Party in recent polls and SPD (whose Olaf Scholz ultimatively was in charge of BaFin) is a shadow of it's former self anyway. I do not think the everything will turn for the better, but I am hopeful that some actions will be taken. The political style of Merkel - and Germany as a whole for that matter - of a steady hand and waiting fo…

So many wishful thinking. I bet there will be no changes after election. Why should it be? Germany will continue slowly declining with whole Europe. This pandemic management was/is real shitshow. The universities are other funny thing. They have no future with heavily underpaid staff and work contracts for 6-12 month working contracts. Max Planck and Fraunhofer are sweatshops for industrial partners. They do the task…

> Germany will continue slowly declining with whole Europe.

If what's currently happening to Germany (uninterrupted boom since > 10 years) is decline, then let there be more of it.

It's great, that you are living in the moment, but I take a step back once in a while. The other side of the fence is probably not greener.

Germany is by no means perfect. Administration is a shit-show. But stuff is indeed improving (very slowly).

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