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Re: SolarBatteryBitcoin

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Of course it does. Even green/renewable energy has costs. Solar farms take up a lot of land, which competes with farming, puts pressure on ecosytems, etc. Wind turbines also require land, they make noise, disrupt views and kill birds. Man-made hydro requires flooding large areas; even tapping hydro on to existing lakes creates a flooding risk downstream. Hydro also has severe geopolitical implicications (e.g. Egypt's…

Really? I thought the first principle of green energy was to stop polluting. There's no need to reduce consumption unless green energy tech can't meet the demand (and given advances in battery tech, I have no reason to believe it can't)

> I thought the first principle of green energy was to stop polluting

Even with such a laughably limited definition, "pollution" would include:

- Noise pollution, e.g. from wind farms, construction, etc.

- Chemical pollution, e.g. from batteries, photovoltaics, mining, etc.

- Non-recyclable waste, e.g. many wind turbine blades, structural elements, etc.

- Airbourne particulates, e.g. from transport and construction (tyres, road wear, brake wear, etc.)

These are certainly less bad than "pollution" from fossil fuels; but it would be stupid to increase them for the sake of partially-inverting SHA256 on a few inputs.

Re: SolarBatteryBitcoin

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Literally every joule that goes into snapchat datacenters is wasted. It's not necessary, it doesn't make anything happy and it's primarily a way for a large company to harvest a lot of data on young people. Nobody wins with the way this power is used.

You can make that argument for any piece of entertainment. why live? let's all kill ourselves, that way we won't use any energy anymore.

You can make the argument for anything, because it's a dumb argument - perhaps the point was entirely too buried :)

Re: SolarBatteryBitcoin

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post #210

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Really? I thought the first principle of green energy was to stop polluting. There's no need to reduce consumption unless green energy tech can't meet the demand (and given advances in battery tech, I have no reason to believe it can't)

> I thought the first principle of green energy was to stop polluting Even with such a laughably limited definition, "pollution" would include: - Noise pollution, e.g. from wind farms, construction, etc. - Chemical pollution, e.g. from batteries, photovoltaics, mining, etc. - Non-recyclable waste, e.g. many wind turbine blades, structural elements, etc. - Airbourne particulates, e.g. from transport and construction (…

That PoW contributes to pollution is because society allows it to, not because the protocol intrinsically requires it. You can call it "stupid" all you want, but Mother Nature doesn't give two sh*ts about anyone's moralizing. Fossil fuels are bad no matter what the purpose for consuming them is (even if it's making shoes for orphans, or giving everyone free healthcare).

It's possible (and desirable!) to pass sensible regulations to require that PoW mining rigs to use only excess renewable energy, and it's possible (and desirable!) to require PoW mining to contribute taxes towards green energy roll-outs. But per my original point, trying to make it go away is a fool's errand -- that's at least as difficult as trying to ban general-purpose computing, and would cause far more problems than it would solve.

Re: SolarBatteryBitcoin

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Ah well, if English is not your primary language I suppose I could have been a bit harsh. I'll give one example and expand. You wrote: >No country has a benefit of allowing bitcoin. which is absurd to anyone who's heard the first argument in favour of Bitcoin. Cryptocurrency allows reliable recordkeeping of transactions without a bribe-able human in the loop. Therefore, it allows default transparency and reduces corr…

> Cryptocurrency allows reliable recordkeeping of transactions without a bribe-able human in the loop. Therefore, it allows default transparency and reduces corruption. Every government gains a benefit from allowing that. Why would you think a cryptocurrency allows "reliable recordkeeping"? We can put anything we like in a blockchain, including fraudulent records, false provenance chains dating back however long we l…

Poetry. Here's the article for anyone curious: https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
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