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Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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Post by borroka »

waltherg wrote: post #95
estaseuropano wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

100% agree but i wonder about the standards applied. Where I live the streets are tight and most drivers mediocre at best, unaware that cyclists might have right of way and about 1/20 doesn't seem to know the difference between different kind of light settings in the car. At least half the cars on my street have visible scratches/dents. For me that is the standard to be beaten, not perfection. And the car could still…

So, essentially, you live in Italy where traffic signs and lights are nothing more than street art and some extra frills on the side of the road.

Silly generalization, please avoid.

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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Post by mNovak »

In the end this makes sense; an actual car company is much better positioned to actually profit from marginal improvements in self-driving (read: safety improvements) year over year, rather than wait for the windfall of FSD taxi service at some unknown point in the future.

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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Post by ryanlol »

borroka wrote: post #111
waltherg wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, essentially, you live in Italy where traffic signs and lights are nothing more than street art and some extra frills on the side of the road.

Silly generalization, please avoid.

It’s not a generalization.

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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Post by markkanof »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #106
rkalla wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's those edge cases that make me think real FSD (vehicles with no steering wheels) is a decade-timescale problem. Figure out 99.9% of driving, but otherwise take a family off a bridge when the sun is blinding the camera? Still need a steering wheel.

That shouldn't be the standard. It probably will be, but it shouldn't be. Humans are terrible drivers. If a self-driving car got into half as many accidents as the average human, it would save millions of lives. And kill people, to be sure, but fewer on net. I also think you could make a reasonable argument that all cars should be banned, right now, based on how many people they kill, but since I don't think that's g…

You are correct on the aggregate, but that doesn't necessarily work when applied to each individual driver.

I'm a pretty attentive and cautious driver. In the 20 years I have been driving I've been in one accident and that was because another driver was attempting to make an illegal left turn, came across two lanes of traffic, and t-boned me. So if self driving vehicles are only doing better than the worst human drivers, I'm going to be pretty hesitant to turn over control. I'd be in favor of that other driver that hit me using an autonomous vehicle though.

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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Post by alexanderchr »

andy81 wrote: post #79
admax88q wrote: post #63

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If the bar is "better than someone talking on cell phone while crossing a railroad crossing without looking," I'll stick to manual driving. Self driving needs to be better than me, not better than average.

Not a problem if you only sell to the bottom 50% of drivers.

Only a small minority of drivers consider themselves to be in the bottom 50% of drivers, so you might have trouble with that strategy.

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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Post by sanguy »

quickthrowman wrote: post #7

Anyone hawking FSD is a stock promoter (liar). Uber/Tesla/Lyft. Elon Musk claims Tesla FSD will be L5 by end of 2021, but they recently filed a document with the CA DMV stating Tesla FSD is L2 automated. Which one do you think is more realistic, staying L2 by EOY 2021, or magically leaping forward to L5 FSD in 8 months? The only company working on self-driving that I believe when they issue press releases is Waymo, b…

Waymo has given up on ever getting L5 capabilities. They have so much invested they can't just shutter it, and keep it going in hopes it attracts an interesting partnership or purchaser.

They did the same thing with Skybox imaging/Terra Bella.

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

markkanof wrote: post #114
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That shouldn't be the standard. It probably will be, but it shouldn't be. Humans are terrible drivers. If a self-driving car got into half as many accidents as the average human, it would save millions of lives. And kill people, to be sure, but fewer on net. I also think you could make a reasonable argument that all cars should be banned, right now, based on how many people they kill, but since I don't think that's g…

You are correct on the aggregate, but that doesn't necessarily work when applied to each individual driver. I'm a pretty attentive and cautious driver. In the 20 years I have been driving I've been in one accident and that was because another driver was attempting to make an illegal left turn, came across two lanes of traffic, and t-boned me. So if self driving vehicles are only doing better than the worst human driv…

Everyone thinks they're an above-average driver. Half of them must be wrong, so the reliability of any individual's self-assessment is about equal to chance. And even if you're one of the genuinely good drivers—your record certainly sounds excellent—our laws should account for the fact that most drivers can't judge their own skill.

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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Post by galuggus »

borroka wrote: post #111
waltherg wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, essentially, you live in Italy where traffic signs and lights are nothing more than street art and some extra frills on the side of the road.

Silly generalization, please avoid.

It's a generalisation but not silly.

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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Post by gpm »

jandrese wrote: post #88
ecpottinger wrote: post #33

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In in Whitby, Ontario, Canada, a dad and his son were killed driving a car across a railway crossing with no gates. The dad (driver) was on his phone at the time and it is believed the phone blocked his view of the train and he was talking to much to hear the train. The person he was talking to said they were talking like normal and suddenly the phone cut off. Computers probably can not be worse that the people alrea…

Self driving cars would have to kill over 1.35 million people each year to be as bad as human drivers[1]. But there is no reason we should be happy if a self driving technology "only" kills 1.2 million people in a year. That number is absurd and should not be considered acceptable. I think in the semi-distant future we are going to look at manual operation of a motor vehicle as a dangerous party trick, something only…

We should be delighted if we have a self driving technology that only kills 1.2 million people a year.

1. That's an incredible amount of saved time, people now get that time back that they use to have to spend driving. We would have eliminated the largest suck of human time on the planet (truck driving). Etc. The main benefit of self driving is not safety.

2. We have a working baseline that we can improve upon to drive that number down, and since computer programs don't have the "new drivers need to learn from scratch" problem, those improvements will stick around approximately forever.

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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Post by cobaltoxide »

tdhz77 wrote: post #107

I keep getting downvoted. I’ll keep saying it, we need government investment into self driving. It cannot be done by private sector alone.

In what way would government investment help here? The main players already have tons of funding.

Also, why should self-driving be a government priority?

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