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Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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Post by tzs »

dangus wrote: post #181
slenk wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you are fully in the Apple ecosystem already, it's not very welcoming. Price being one thing but with how Apple recently demonstrated they can just take away all your movies with no recourse, I will pass

1. I assume by “not welcoming” you mean “unable to buy/rent movies from Vudu/Amazon Prime on the box” and that’s a fair criticism. Someone wanting to buy/rent through third party services will find opening a separate browser to be annoying, but that leads me to... 2. iTunes is part of Movies Anywhere just like all its competitors. Being “required” to purchase/rent movies through iTunes isn’t really ecosystem lock-in.…

Does anyone here happen to know what happens if I get a movie from store X (Apple, Amazon Prime Video, etc) that works with Movies Anywhere, and so that movie shows up in my library at all other Movies Anywhere supported stores that I have accounts on, and then I do something that gets my account with store X banned?

I know I lose access on X, but how about on the other stores?

Also, how the heck does Movies Anywhere actually work? Say I buy a movie on iTunes, but then via Movies Anywhere watch it using the Fandango app on my TV.

Who pays for the bandwidth for that stream? Does Fandango just eat it, or behind the scenes does each company keep track of how much of their bandwidth was used for movies bought at each other company, and they periodically settle up for any imbalances?

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Post by azurezyq »

young_unixer wrote: post #199
sniperjzp wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, you can play YouTube without any problem on Firestick, they made the change 2 years ago. Second, you should give the new Chromecast device a try, it's far much better than Roku. Third, Google is asking Roku to support VP9, which is a much superior video coding format, I don't see any issue with this ask.

Do they sell chromecasts with dedicated remote controllers?

https://store.google.com/us/product/chromecast_google_tv?hl=...

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Post by [deleted] »

inetknght wrote: post #82
calderwoodra wrote: post #57

Either the journalist has interpreted Roku's claims incorrectly, or Roku is spreading falsehoods. It's a very common practice for streaming services to make crazy demands about the devices they're on. Roku[1], Google TV[2] and Firesticks[3] all have Netflix buttons on the remote not because they wanted them there, but because Netflix forces them to with the threat that they will blacklist their device. And inevitably…

> It's a very common practice for streaming services to make crazy demands about the devices they're on That doesn't make it any less anti-competitive

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Post by hamstergene »

calderwoodra wrote: post #57

Either the journalist has interpreted Roku's claims incorrectly, or Roku is spreading falsehoods. It's a very common practice for streaming services to make crazy demands about the devices they're on. Roku[1], Google TV[2] and Firesticks[3] all have Netflix buttons on the remote not because they wanted them there, but because Netflix forces them to with the threat that they will blacklist their device. And inevitably…

Proving that others are bad too does not mean one is OK and no change is needed. It just means all are bad, all need to be changed.

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Post by rajivjain »

This is why we as users should choose our platforms carefully. This spat between Roku and Google is ultimately all about $$$ generated with 'monetizing' our habits and data. Ad infested platforms like Roku will continually try and push for larger share of the pie. Whereas, Google will continue pushing for more data. They both will win. Win at our expense. Not thanks, I would rather stay with my Apple TV and have a modicum of control over my privacy, even though it's more expensive piece of hardware to buy.

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Post by hnra »

panopticon wrote: post #186
jedimastert wrote: post #168

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> Same reason I use spotify I think it's pretty safe to call Spotify a big tech company at this point

It's a weird world where a company that does billions in annual revenue isn't considered big.

I think a lot of people use the phrase "big tech" to refer to the giants whom use lobbying, monopoly power, etc. to stay disproportionately big.

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Post by joncp »

etempleton wrote: post #142

HBO Max was delayed in appearing on Roku because of negotiation breakdowns. In the case HBO it was Roku that seemed to have the demands. They are looking at revenue anywhere they can, but if their position weakens look for Google, ATT, and others to simply forgo working with them. I think Roku is in a perilous position in general. They generated a lot of buzz on Wallstreet with their high user counts. They also purch…

> They also purchased a DSP to get more into the advertising game

They needed to buy a digital signal processor to do advertising? That sounds odd. Can you elaborate?

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

heavyset_go wrote: post #177
izacus wrote: post #106

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They're not on TVs. YTM is a section inside YT app on the TV.

I'm using a Chromecast with Google TV, and YouTube and YouTube Music are separate apps.

On Roku there is only 1 app.

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Post by smolder »

thehnguy wrote: post #167
s3r3nity wrote: post #2

> Roku alleges Google has asked it to favor YouTube music results from voice commands made on the Roku remote while the YouTube app is open, even if the user's music preference is set to default to another music app, like Pandora. > Roku says Google has threatened to require Roku to use certain chip sets or memory cards that would force Roku to increase the price of its hardware product, which competes directly with…

Not a good look Google; especially when you've got a great, big target on your back from the antitrust/anticompetitive hawks.

Hawks have great eyesight, and are effective predators. It's not a good metaphor for the people who punish anticompetitive behavior. Maybe anti-trust sloths?

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Post by rOOb85 »

brightball wrote: post #149
s3r3nity wrote: post #2

> Roku alleges Google has asked it to favor YouTube music results from voice commands made on the Roku remote while the YouTube app is open, even if the user's music preference is set to default to another music app, like Pandora. > Roku says Google has threatened to require Roku to use certain chip sets or memory cards that would force Roku to increase the price of its hardware product, which competes directly with…

The more streaming services appear, the more I like my bundled cable plan + Tivo. Seems like you get a lot of additional headaches after the initial joy of cord cutting wears off.

This is exactly what the cable co's want. F em. I'll either pay for the services or pirate the content. I will never let the cable co's "win". They are terrible, horrible, corrupt, money grubbing soulless corporations who have screwed over the masses for long enough.
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