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Digital Needle: Ripping vinyl records with a scanner (2013)

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Re: Digital Needle: Ripping vinyl records with a scanner (2013)

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Stero channels aren't encoded in the depth and radial axes. They're encoded in the same plane, but rotated 45 degrees, so a mono record player (depth only) plays a balanced sum of each channel. Edit: mono is radial only, not depth.

For anyone else who was intrigued by this, I found this helpful animation:

https://www.vinylrecorder.com/stereo.html

Re: Digital Needle: Ripping vinyl records with a scanner (2013)

#12
post #9

I remember wondering whether a laser "needle" could work. IIRC the format has some funky EQ and other things to make a physical needle work better.

not cheap, but yeah it works great. https://www.elpj.com/ I actually got to hear one once. Extremely neutral and high-res, but the record has to be super clean because with the laser, you will hear every little speck of dust. Also it doesn't work with colored vinyl, iirc. edit: they use 5 different lasers to get the data out of the groove, go read the section on their site, it's actually really intricate and cool > t…

"The record has to be super clean..."

Audiophiles likely know of this, but I'm still surprised.

Clean vinyl records with glue...

https://everyrecordtellsastory.com/2015/05/25/how-to-deep-cl...

Re: Digital Needle: Ripping vinyl records with a scanner (2013)

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Other related projects: http://recherche.ina.fr/eng/Details-projets/saphir https://irene.lbl.gov/

Don't forget https://www.windytan.com/2017/07/gramophone-audio-from-photo...

And this one too: https://mediapreservation.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/extractin...

Re: Digital Needle: Ripping vinyl records with a scanner (2013)

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I remember seeing something online a very log time ago where someone was using Perl to encode audio into image files (jpeg IIRC) and then subsequently decoding them (losing fidelity in the process). Even though I understand the science that makes this work, it still feels like magic. Love it.

Re: Digital Needle: Ripping vinyl records with a scanner (2013)

#17

Stero channels aren't encoded in the depth and radial axes. They're encoded in the same plane, but rotated 45 degrees, so a mono record player (depth only) plays a balanced sum of each channel. Edit: mono is radial only, not depth.

I always found this solution to be an incredibly clever and elegant way to encode stereo sound while maintaining backward compatibility.

Re: Digital Needle: Ripping vinyl records with a scanner (2013)

#18

Stero channels aren't encoded in the depth and radial axes. They're encoded in the same plane, but rotated 45 degrees, so a mono record player (depth only) plays a balanced sum of each channel. Edit: mono is radial only, not depth.

Yes, but it's actually equivalent to "Left - Right" being encoded in the vertical plane and "Left + Right" encoded in the horizontal plane.

Re: Digital Needle: Ripping vinyl records with a scanner (2013)

#19

Thinking about a simpler system... how about getting a camera on a turntable recording a video while the record turns. It would then be possible to track a line with an specified width in the video and turn the changes in a piece of this line it into a waveform.

This would be a cool project

Re: Digital Needle: Ripping vinyl records with a scanner (2013)

#20

I remember wondering whether a laser "needle" could work. IIRC the format has some funky EQ and other things to make a physical needle work better.

The funky EQ is the RIAA curve[1] - by essentially rolling off the bass and boosting the treble you can fit more on a disc, it attenuates some of the clicks and pops and is kinder on the vinyl and needle. It's trivial to invert in software, and as another response points out, there is indeed a working laser record player - although the record needs to be extensively cleaned before playback or it doesn't work very wel…

This is part of what people hear when they say "vinyl sounds better."
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