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Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands
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Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a Roku user who thinks Google takes a pretty hostile approach to anyone using their App on Roku, I disagree. If I'm in an App and search, I expect my search to be localized to that App. That being said, f*k Roku and their voice remote. They've been pushing that crap hard. Showing prompts on screen for upwards of 30 seconds to push the Mic button. I don't want my remote to have a microphone or be able to listen to…
It doesn’t matter what the consumer prefers. This battle is about the _ability_ to implement a feature, and that power should reside with the application developer. Monopolists can often have batter products as well as charging monopolistic pricing.
> and that power should reside with the application developer.
I guess the question is, who is the developer in this case? The Youtube App is running on the Roku Platform accessing the Google Platform. Both Roku and Google are acting in both roles.
The Roku Voice Search is weird, it's surfaced via a button alongside local media controls which are contextual but Roku appears to want their Search to be analogous to Siri, Alexa or Google Assistant as a platform level tool. The volume, and mute keys are the only other buttons that behave at a platform level. The Roku Home button is contextual.
As a user of a STB, if I search (voice or otherwise) I expect it to be contextualized. If I'm in an App then the search should be localized, if I'm at the home screen then I expect it to be global.
Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands
#123Who the hell would pay google for youtube? Anything worth watching is on patreon so you can just watch it there if you want to pay for something without dealing with all of Google's crap.
Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands
#124> Roku alleges Google has asked it to favor YouTube music results from voice commands made on the Roku remote while the YouTube app is open, even if the user's music preference is set to default to another music app, like Pandora. > Roku says Google has threatened to require Roku to use certain chip sets or memory cards that would force Roku to increase the price of its hardware product, which competes directly with…
I'm not quite ready to take out the pitchforks... > Roku says Google has threatened to require Roku to use certain chip sets or memory cards that would force Roku to increase the price of its hardware product, which competes directly with Google's Chromecast. This could simply mean Google is requiring chips with hardware VP9 support > Roku alleges Google has asked it to favor YouTube music results from voice commands…
> a pretty reasonable ask for any business
seems abusive coming from someone with an extremely dominant market position in one area.
Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands
#125Roku makes insane demands of its video providers. So does every large platform company. Google is awful too, but this is like the pot calling the kettle black.
They make all their money as being a service provider. That’s why they require content providers to use their platform and to rev share subscription and purchases made on the Roku platform. They aren’t a hardware company.
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#126Roku wants to be an app store, and it wants a cut of both the subscription fee and the ad inventory:
"Roku's standard terms for partner channels include 20% of subscription fees and 30% of ad inventory"
For services that bundle other people's content that's likely to be a problem (see Spotify and Apple).
https://popculture.com/streaming/news/roku-founder-reveals-w...
Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands
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> This is both what many users would expect If I'm watching a video on youtube and ask to play music, no I do NOT want at all youtube to handle that. Youtube music is crap. Google has proven many times that they are totally unable to manage music. They should stop to try, because it is utterly embarrassing.
> Youtube music is crap It's good enough for a lot of people. I pay for YouTube Premium, so I get YouTube music (formerly Google Play Music) included, and it works well enough that I'm not going to pay for a separate music app.
Which is fine, And what user preferences are for.
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#128Google calls the accusation baseless. But I'd bet there would be documentation if it were true ..
Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands
#129Either the journalist has interpreted Roku's claims incorrectly, or Roku is spreading falsehoods. It's a very common practice for streaming services to make crazy demands about the devices they're on. Roku[1], Google TV[2] and Firesticks[3] all have Netflix buttons on the remote not because they wanted them there, but because Netflix forces them to with the threat that they will blacklist their device. And inevitably…
> And inevitably, all devices comply because they know they won't be able to sell the product without Netflix support.
That sounds pretty anti-competitive to me. So that would not be a "falsehood". Just because lots of companies are making anti-competitive demands, does not invalidate the point.
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Maybe, maybe not? If I'm in Google Maps, should Siri offer me Google^TM-themed recommendations?
If I'm actively using Google Maps, I'd love for Siri to respond to "get directions to McDonalds" within the Google Maps context instead of opening Apple's.
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