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iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by gambiting »

adrr wrote: post #135
gambiting wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's insistence on only having face ID when competitors have fantastic and very fast in-screen fingerprint readers is just idiotic. I was kind of onboard when they first introduced FaceID, the argument that they don't want the sensor on the back and there is no room on the front was fair enough, but right now the technology has caught up. It's crazy that you can unlock a Samsung with your face OR an in-screen fing…

Face unlock for Samsung phones provides no security unlike FaceId. So really Samsung just has a fingerprint scanner. https://www.samsung.com/ph/support/mobile-devices/can-you-un...

On my S21 you can tick a "fast unlock" option for face unlock which comes with a warning that it can be fooled by a picture then. So I'm assuming that by default it can't?

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Post by Tsiklon »

Hamuko wrote: post #11
Tsiklon wrote: post #5

5G on Dual Sim is a useful update, prior to this it was only possible to have 5G on one of the accounts (The hardware SIM, I think was the default not the eSIM)

Are people actually on 5G?

In the part of London I live in there's 5G available when I walk to the local shops - my network is Three UK. My secondary sim is EE, they also have a 5G network too, but i'm not completely certain where it's present

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by hyperbovine »

nindalf wrote: post #8

Happy about being able to unlock the phone with my watch. Arrived after a year of mask wearing, but better late than never. Impossible to say right now when we'll put our masks away, if ever.

I have an iPhone SE (which came with a fingerprint reader, as I assumed did all recent phones made by anyone), and I had no idea what all the hubbub was about until reading this comment thread. Another ridiculous own-goal by Apple. First MagSafe, now this.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by gbrown_ »

smiley1437 wrote: post #14

Feels a bit of a Rube-Goldberg workaround when TouchID exists. Love my TouchID to the point I'm dreading when Apple makes no more TouchID phones

Lack of TouchID on newer models is one of the main reasons I've yet to upgrade from my iPhone 8.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by behnamoh »

twobitshifter wrote: post #108
ASalazarMX wrote: post #74

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> What exactly is the reason/rationale that it has to fail on facial recognition first before proceeding to use passcode? C O U R A G E Joke aside, it seems that Face ID was a tremendous technical effort so you could have instant access to your phone. Besides unlocking, there's no other serious application (memojis aside). The fingerprint reader was probably removed just to prop acceptance of Face ID. Also, Face ID i…

If you’re detained or mugged hold both the power and a volume button for 3 seconds.

Hard to do when you're busy getting mugged.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by bobbylarrybobby »

fuzzy2 wrote: post #51
Someone1234 wrote: post #9

In regard to unlock w/Apple Watch: - This is an issue of Apple's own artificial creation. - This doesn't even solve the issue. So this all started because Face Unlock didn't work with masks, that's not Apple's fault. But what is entirely Apple's fault is that they break an option which resolves this only when Face Unlock is enabled: "Require Passcode." When you disable Face Unlock you can set Require Passcode to e.g.…

> - This doesn't even solve the issue. Right you are, but for a different reason: Face masks entirely break Apple Pay. If you have an Apple Watch, lucky you, you can use the watch to pay instead. If you don’t? Well, tough luck. Unlock with Watch apparently does not work with Apple Pay. /e: Wasn’t aware of activating Pay using the code. Oops. :D

Yep, I had to disable Face ID for Apple Pay because it was too frustrating to use in stores with a mask on.

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Post by barbazoo »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #100
3grdlurker wrote: post #40

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Or they could put it on the lock button like they did with one of their iPads.

I have used phones with all types of fingerprint sensor. Below the screen (Moto Z, iPhone 6S), at the back, in the power button (Moto Z3), and built into screen (Moto Z4). Built into the screen is by far superior of all. The worst is at the back, with power button at the side not far from it.

I think having it in the back is genius as that's where I always have a finger as opposed to the front. It's so awkward to try to hold the phone in my hand securely AND holding my thumb on the scanner at the same time.

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Post by ASalazarMX »

ryanlol wrote: post #95
ASalazarMX wrote: post #74

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> What exactly is the reason/rationale that it has to fail on facial recognition first before proceeding to use passcode? C O U R A G E Joke aside, it seems that Face ID was a tremendous technical effort so you could have instant access to your phone. Besides unlocking, there's no other serious application (memojis aside). The fingerprint reader was probably removed just to prop acceptance of Face ID. Also, Face ID i…

> Also, Face ID is less secure. If you're detained or mugged, just looking at your phone will unlock it before you can react and look away Much easier to force someone to unlock the phone with their fingerprint than to force them to unlock with faceid if you have “Require attention” on. You can’t physically force someone to look in a certain direction, but you definitely can force them to tap their finger on a surfac…

> You can’t physically force someone to look in a certain direction

Excuse me, but this is ridiculously easier than forcing someone to use their fingerprint; just wait until they are distracted, show them the phone and ask them "what is this?". It unlocks in less than a second with "Require Attention" activated. We prank each other this way when we forget our phones around the house.

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Post by acdha »

djhn wrote: post #101
ryanlol wrote: post #95

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> Also, Face ID is less secure. If you're detained or mugged, just looking at your phone will unlock it before you can react and look away Much easier to force someone to unlock the phone with their fingerprint than to force them to unlock with faceid if you have “Require attention” on. You can’t physically force someone to look in a certain direction, but you definitely can force them to tap their finger on a surfac…

Long passcodes are still better.

You can't make a general assertion like that because “better” depends on different factors:

* If you're concerned about someone who can see you typing, a biometric is better because they have far fewer chances to watch you — especially if you don't reboot outside of your home.

* If you're concerned about actual adoption, a biometric is better because you remove the constant frictional password entry cost which causes a large fraction of users to use short, easily-entered passwords.

* If you're concerned about someone who has enough access to construct a usable fingerprint / face facsimile but can't coerce you into providing a password or shoulder-surf it with a drone, a long password is better.

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