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Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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This isn't that big of a deal to me because I could still use the YouTube TV app from my iPhone and then just "cast" it to the Roku which is acting as a "cast client".

And even then, that's only at my friend's house where their TV is too old to have built in "smart TV / cast to me" functionality.

Roku is dope but this might not be as big of a deal as it seems.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree on the second one, but why tf should Google force them to support vp9? If they want to save some money there to stay competitive it's none of Google's business.

Doesn't it cost Google more in either bandwidth or patent fees if they don't support VP9?

maybe. and that's Gs problem that they are trying to make Rs problem.

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I'm just about sick of YouTube and YouTube TV not playing well with whatever device I've decided on. First it was YouTube and the Firestick, now it's YouTube TV and Roku. Frankly, how did Google end up with a good TV service? I'd rather not be relying on Google for TV streaming.

> Frankly, how did Google end up with a good TV service?

Just peeling off this part of your comment. It seems like it would have been the natural course of events after they had to develop IPTV services for Google Fiber customers.

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> Roku alleges Google has asked it to favor YouTube music results from voice commands made on the Roku remote while the YouTube app is open, even if the user's music preference is set to default to another music app, like Pandora. > Roku says Google has threatened to require Roku to use certain chip sets or memory cards that would force Roku to increase the price of its hardware product, which competes directly with…

I'm not quite ready to take out the pitchforks... > Roku says Google has threatened to require Roku to use certain chip sets or memory cards that would force Roku to increase the price of its hardware product, which competes directly with Google's Chromecast. This could simply mean Google is requiring chips with hardware VP9 support > Roku alleges Google has asked it to favor YouTube music results from voice commands…

>This is both what many users would expect

So if your default search engine in firefox is duckduckgo, but you're currently on google.com/maps reading reviews of a car service, firefox should use google for your next search request?

Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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Roku is similarly evil towards smaller apps, like demanding a cut of app revenue after the app gets a large user base.

What percentage does Roku take? I wasn't aware that they were in the same rent-seeking game as the other app stores. They do talk about their "Platform Revenue," but it seems that's mostly generated from ads.

AFAIK they're trying to take 30% of revenue from every app, even from ads that are internal to the app. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-18/nbc-threa... https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/rokus-recent-fight-with-fox-...

Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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post #4

I'm just about sick of YouTube and YouTube TV not playing well with whatever device I've decided on. First it was YouTube and the Firestick, now it's YouTube TV and Roku. Frankly, how did Google end up with a good TV service? I'd rather not be relying on Google for TV streaming.

First, you can play YouTube without any problem on Firestick, they made the change 2 years ago. Second, you should give the new Chromecast device a try, it's far much better than Roku. Third, Google is asking Roku to support VP9, which is a much superior video coding format, I don't see any issue with this ask.

Moving from device to device IS the problem.

Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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> Roku alleges Google has asked it to favor YouTube music results from voice commands made on the Roku remote while the YouTube app is open, even if the user's music preference is set to default to another music app, like Pandora. How else do you use voice search for a music video on Youtube? If I open youtube and do a voice search. I'm expecting the search to be constrained to the app.

It sounds to me like they want the YouTube Music app to open when you search for a song on the YouTube app. Those are two entirely different apps, with different content, experiences, etc. It just so happens that Google named them the same, probably so they could more easily force integrations like this.

Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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I'm surprised this is the first time someone tried to push their weight and try and get what they want. But it does seem to be a baseless claim, we have no idea actually what was asked. I think it's a little too early to jump onboard any side.

It's not the first time. It took a while for HBO Max to show up on Roku because both sides were playing hardball.

Re: Roku says it may lose YouTube TV app after Google made anti-competitive demands

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> Roku alleges Google has asked it to favor YouTube music results from voice commands made on the Roku remote while the YouTube app is open, even if the user's music preference is set to default to another music app, like Pandora. How else do you use voice search for a music video on Youtube? If I open youtube and do a voice search. I'm expecting the search to be constrained to the app.

This sounds like the user is in Youtube, then says 'Play some Beyonce'. In this scenario, I'd expect some Lemonade from my default music app, not Youtube...
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