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Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by hackmiester » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:46 PM UTC

aikinai wrote: post #27

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An even better solution would be to just show the "unlock with passcode" button at all times, and not just after Face ID has spent 15 seconds not recognising you because you have a mask on.

They fixed this a few versions ago. Now if it sees a mask, it shows the passcode input immediately.

I have about a 60% success rate on their "fix" to this, varying wildly depending on which mask I am wearing. The better a mask fits, the less likely the solution is to work, because the phone seems to think it's an unmasked face, just not my unmasked face.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by zuppy » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:46 PM UTC

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #18

Someone1234 wrote: post #9

In regard to unlock w/Apple Watch: - This is an issue of Apple's own artificial creation. - This doesn't even solve the issue. So this all started because Face Unlock didn't work with masks, that's not Apple's fault. But what is entirely Apple's fault is that they break an option which resolves this only when Face Unlock is enabled: "Require Passcode." When you disable Face Unlock you can set Require Passcode to e.g.…

An even better solution would be to just show the "unlock with passcode" button at all times, and not just after Face ID has spent 15 seconds not recognising you because you have a mask on.

they actually do this, but it doesn’t look like a button. the “face id” text that is shown when it tries to recognize your face is clickable and it brings the password form. awesome ux...

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by dkdbejwi383 » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:46 PM UTC

aikinai wrote: post #27

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An even better solution would be to just show the "unlock with passcode" button at all times, and not just after Face ID has spent 15 seconds not recognising you because you have a mask on.

They fixed this a few versions ago. Now if it sees a mask, it shows the passcode input immediately.

Strange, I'm up to date yet it still spends ages searching for my face when I have a mask on. Perhaps my mask isn't masklike enough?

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by jetpackjoe » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:46 PM UTC

minimaxir wrote: post #15

macOS/tvOS/watchOS are also updated with analogous features.

tvOS should include the new color balancing feature, correct?

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by dkdbejwi383 » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:47 PM UTC

zuppy wrote: post #32

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An even better solution would be to just show the "unlock with passcode" button at all times, and not just after Face ID has spent 15 seconds not recognising you because you have a mask on.

they actually do this, but it doesn’t look like a button. the “face id” text that is shown when it tries to recognize your face is clickable and it brings the password form. awesome ux...

Wow, thanks for the tip. I would never in a million years have discovered this otherwise. I don't know if Apple's UX design has gone downhill lately or if I'm just getting older and stupider.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by minimaxir » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:47 PM UTC

jetpackjoe wrote: post #34

minimaxir wrote: post #15

macOS/tvOS/watchOS are also updated with analogous features.

tvOS should include the new color balancing feature, correct?

Yep, including for the older A8 Apple TV.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by drdaeman » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #18

Someone1234 wrote: post #9

In regard to unlock w/Apple Watch: - This is an issue of Apple's own artificial creation. - This doesn't even solve the issue. So this all started because Face Unlock didn't work with masks, that's not Apple's fault. But what is entirely Apple's fault is that they break an option which resolves this only when Face Unlock is enabled: "Require Passcode." When you disable Face Unlock you can set Require Passcode to e.g.…

An even better solution would be to just show the "unlock with passcode" button at all times, and not just after Face ID has spent 15 seconds not recognising you because you have a mask on.

It's order of magnitude less than 15 seconds for me. And they have specifically implemented mask detection so if FaceID spots a face with a mask on it immediately shows the passcode keyboard.

Personally, I'm getting the passcode prompt in less than 1 second.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by boardwaalk » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

dkdbejwi383 wrote: post #18

Someone1234 wrote: post #9

In regard to unlock w/Apple Watch: - This is an issue of Apple's own artificial creation. - This doesn't even solve the issue. So this all started because Face Unlock didn't work with masks, that's not Apple's fault. But what is entirely Apple's fault is that they break an option which resolves this only when Face Unlock is enabled: "Require Passcode." When you disable Face Unlock you can set Require Passcode to e.g.…

An even better solution would be to just show the "unlock with passcode" button at all times, and not just after Face ID has spent 15 seconds not recognising you because you have a mask on.

I’ve never seen it take 15 seconds… it takes 2 seconds with a mask and 3 seconds with no face visible at all, for me. Versus 1 second when Face ID works.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by ASalazarMX » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

nindalf wrote: post #8

Happy about being able to unlock the phone with my watch. Arrived after a year of mask wearing, but better late than never. Impossible to say right now when we'll put our masks away, if ever.

I already have an Apple watch, and still resent that their solution for removing the fingerprint scanner is buying a new expensive accessory. Under-display fingerprint readers have existed for years, so it's not an aesthetics issue.

Re: iOS 14.5 delivers Unlock iPhone with Apple Watch, new privacy controls, and more

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Post by 3grdlurker » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #21

smiley1437 wrote: post #14

Feels a bit of a Rube-Goldberg workaround when TouchID exists. Love my TouchID to the point I'm dreading when Apple makes no more TouchID phones

Apple's insistence on only having face ID when competitors have fantastic and very fast in-screen fingerprint readers is just idiotic. I was kind of onboard when they first introduced FaceID, the argument that they don't want the sensor on the back and there is no room on the front was fair enough, but right now the technology has caught up. It's crazy that you can unlock a Samsung with your face OR an in-screen fing…

Or they could put it on the lock button like they did with one of their iPads.