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Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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Post by spurgu »

mrehler wrote: post #926
spurgu wrote: post #876

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Meh. New tabs are opening in weird places, really faaaar to the right skipping between 6-7 (unrelated) tabs. Really cumbersome to navigate. Horrible selection of extensions still. Really missing searching for any tab with Cmd+Shift+K (I often have ~100 tabs open across multiple windows) that I get with the Tab Switcher extension. There's a Noscript equivalent extension but it costs $3... And I can't initiate a search…

Command+/ will fire up the status bar for Safari which shows you the URLS.

Ok that's a weird default...

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Post by spurgu »

wdb wrote: post #927
spurgu wrote: post #876

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Meh. New tabs are opening in weird places, really faaaar to the right skipping between 6-7 (unrelated) tabs. Really cumbersome to navigate. Horrible selection of extensions still. Really missing searching for any tab with Cmd+Shift+K (I often have ~100 tabs open across multiple windows) that I get with the Tab Switcher extension. There's a Noscript equivalent extension but it costs $3... And I can't initiate a search…

For your last issue you can see it when you display status bar.

Ok that's a weird default...

Re: Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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Post by smolder »

bredren wrote: post #824
smolder wrote: post #797

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Given the competition for fab capacity at TSMC, I'm not so sure Apple would want to use that capacity to supply servers. If things were less tight in that department I'd agree the time is right.

I can see this playing into the constraints, to this end, perhaps there is efficiency to making the most out of a single system type and assembly? Also do you know how many machines it would take to outfit a reasonable demonstration scale facility? Is that number so large that it constrains the ability to just go that much further?

I'm not really sure about the answers to your questions, but it vaguely seems like the type of thing they'd want to go big on or not at all, for economies of scale. I also suspect they can get a better margin on each M1-based device selling them in consumer products.

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Post by trilinearnz »

clairity wrote: post #67
trilinearnz wrote: post #58

Learning a bit about this in my MBA classes. Cost + Margin = Selling Price. Apple have the capacity to be more of a cost leader now, since they are not subject to the same bargaining power forces of CPU suppliers. As a result, they have the potential to push their costs down (if not now, then in the future once production scales) and increase their margins. A good time to invest, perhaps?

> "Cost + Margin = Selling Price." that's cost-plus pricing, and should be viewed as a relatively naive model that is no longer typically used for pricing. sophisticated pricing decisions are based on price elasticities to find the profit-maximizing price. apple is a notable example of a company that exhibits this type of pricing decision-making.

Cheers for the clarification :)

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Post by astrange »

pjmlp wrote: post #930
astrange wrote: post #929

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No, the performance issues are real. GC programs have more page demand and higher peak memory use, which is specifically what the iOS memory model (jetsam and memory compression) can't deal with well. They can have some wins due to compacting. There is of course a GC language on iOS (JavaScript) but expensive webpages get killed quickly.

And yet Microsoft was able to do very good phones with GC languages with very good performance for 200 euros, maybe Apple should talk to their runtime engineers.

Wasn't most of the system stack in C++ since it was shared with either Windows or Nokia? Either way, they went out of business, so we can't tell if they can support a phone 5 years back with new OS features.

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Post by stepbeek »

Anther wrote: post #444
stepbeek wrote: post #414

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I've just made a similar switch I went from a Pro (2018 i9 Pro with 32GiB of RAM) to an M1 Air with 16GiB of RAM and its ridiculous. I've tried to look up what this difference might be, but all I've found is a hand-wavey answer about it being an SOC. If someone can ELI5 then I'd be super appreciative.

My feeling is that as everything is on chip, things are physically closer - less lanes on the motherboard - so latency from tasks is lessened. I would not have guessed it would be such a difference though.

I found this discussion and article talking more about it, if you're interested: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25659615

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Post by top_kekeroni_m8 »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #671
kevstev wrote: post #466

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I am continually astounded that the quad core sandy bridge core-i7 I bought in January 2011 is still completely serviceable for pretty much all tasks outside of gaming. The bezel and overall form factor is clownishly large by todays standards, and the screen is starting to look a bit faded, but as a portable but mostly stationary PC it still works great alongside my main laptop I use for work. I knew back in 2011 I w…

My desktop is 2010 vintage 6-core Phenom II 1100T with 16GB RAM, the motherboard is officially maxed out, but I've been told it can take 32GB just fine. It has been upgraded with an SSD and more recently a Radeon RX560, and it really does everything I need. Newer games do need lower settings, but it'll motor through most games at 720p. I added a PCIe USB-C interface card, so I'm not even stuck at USB 2.0 anymore. I h…

Gaming at 720p in 2021? Oh come on, you really need to try some 1440p/144hz gaming ;)

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Post by philistine »

rowanG077 wrote: post #918
philistine wrote: post #524

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We have yet to see any new iPad Pro with the M1. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a difference in clock speed with those.

I don't expect so. The air has no active cooling and can run the M1. Should be doable for the ipad as well.

I have an M1 Macbook Air and this thing gets a bit hot for an iPad. I don't think the iPad Pro will be able to hold the same clock speed as long as the other machines over the long haul.

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Post by officeplant »

reaperducer wrote: post #810
officeplant wrote: post #568

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Late-2012 ivy bridge i5 Mac Mini here. For a dual core machine it's really not all that bad of a daily driver experience. Makes me sad that I have to spend a crazy amount of money to get 16GB of ram and 1TB of SSD in a M1 Mini to match what I currently use. (although I understand the 1TB of SSD in the M1 is vastly superior)

11-inch 2011 MacBook Air here. It's my main machine. I'll turn it into a media server once Apple comes out with an Mx machine with a screen of at least 15 inches.

I wish they could just give me that machine with a modern screen and an M1 chip.

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Post by officeplant »

asoneth wrote: post #921
officeplant wrote: post #638

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They tend to support OS releases for three years. Catalina EOL is likely to be sometime in 2022.

I stand corrected. I'd attribute my false confidence to the fact that even the previous version (macOS 10.4 Mojave) is still supported. But now that I think about it that'll likely change at the Apple WWDC in June. Still, decently satisfied with ~10 years of software support for a laptop.

Mojave Support ends this year right on time for 3 years. I finally left Mojave behind myself as I really wasn't using the older apps catalina lost support for anyway.
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