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We were promised Strong AI, but instead we got metadata analysis

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Re: We were promised Strong AI, but instead we got metadata analysis

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Post by hoppyhoppy2 »

darkerside wrote: post #14
fouc wrote: post #2

> There are woolly intimations that self driving cars will read roadsigns to work out what the speed limit is for any stretch of road but the truth seems to be that they use the current GPS co-ordinates to access manually entered data on speedlimits. I actually didn't know Tesla cars relied on GPS + map data w/ speed limits until recently. What a disappointment, apparently it causes all sorts of issues with sudden br…

Maybe it uses both? My Honda can tell me the speed limit, and I'm sure it's not using the internet to do it.

>I'm sure it's not using the internet to do it.

How sure are you?

>Daniel Dunn was about to sign a lease for a Honda Fit last year when a detail buried in the lengthy agreement caught his eye. Honda wanted to track the location of his vehicle, the contract stated, according to Dunn — a stipulation that struck the 69-year-old Temecula, Calif., retiree as a bit odd. [...]

>There are 78 million cars on the road with an embedded cyber connection, a feature that makes monitoring customers easier, according to ABI Research. By 2021, according to the technology research firm Gartner, 98 percent of new cars sold in the United States and in Europe will be connected, a feature that is being highlighted this week here at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit.

>After being asked on multiple occasions what the company does with collected data, Natalie Kumaratne, a Honda spokeswoman, said that the company “cannot provide specifics at this time.” Kumaratne instead sent a copy of an owner’s manual for a Honda Clarity that notes that the vehicle is equipped with multiple monitoring systems that transmit data at a rate determined by Honda.

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Re: We were promised Strong AI, but instead we got metadata analysis

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Post by pjc50 »

balia wrote: post #5

This seems it will be applied to self driving technology in a huge way. All of these companies doing advanced AI vision detection, classification etc... they’re really hard problems. But the whole challenge will eventually become nullified when every single road sign, landmark, and the road itself are tagged internally with metadata. Instead of trying to decipher how does this PNG of a speed limit sign translate into…

> every single road sign, landmark, and the road itself are tagged internally with metadata.

Who's going to pay for that? The public? In order to provide returns to private shareholders?

Re: We were promised Strong AI, but instead we got metadata analysis

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Post by cblconfederate »

jacobolus wrote: post #86
cblconfederate wrote: post #37

The problem is that google created a negative feedback loop with the web. People have a tangible interest to game google, which worsens the quality of their AI datasets, which makes their AI suggestions terrible. There was the expectation that google's AI suggestions and info boxes would improve over time, but i 've noticed them getting worse and consider them a permanently broken gimmick now. They probably have the…

> google created a negative feedback loop with the web Friendly note: this may be a "negative" (i.e. bad) effect, but it is not a negative feedback loop. A negative feedback loop is a part of a system that self-corrects back toward a stable position. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_feedback

the negative feedback is that any attempt to create quality, non-seo content is punished by being ranked low and so we revert to average/low quality of over-SEOed but low signal content.

Like other users have noticed, publishing a good recipe is not enough, you have to fill it up with useless fluff. and you have to make pretty URLs . And add meta the tags

This happens for tech advice too, like linux solutions etc

Re: We were promised Strong AI, but instead we got metadata analysis

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Post by defaultname »

pea wrote: post #29

An annoying example which has gotten worse recently is recipes. I generally trawl through 5k words of someone's life story and product promotions to get to the piece of information I need, and they often rewrite the recipe 5 different times in different levels of detail -- is this because to make the first page rank on Google you need to pad out the SEO? I too always find myself doing site:reddit.com.

Many of the recipe sites you're finding are likely "food bloggers", so their interest is in being a personality/virtual cooking companion more than being just a source of a recipe. You have misaligned interests, and to be fair they're probably less interested in your patronage if you just hop to a page to grab a recipe.

And of course the verbiage is a lot of long tail keyword inclusion (pandering to Google by talking about your diabetic grandma, etc).

EDIT: The whole "I can't stand recipes that have verbiage" diatribe is a bit of a beggars being choosers thing. Personally I pay for America's Test Kitchen and get trustworthy, concise recipes (although there is a narrative about different techniques and options), but most people are too cheap but simultaneously super demanding about the things they get for free.

Re: We were promised Strong AI, but instead we got metadata analysis

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Post by [deleted] »

cblconfederate wrote: post #93
jacobolus wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> google created a negative feedback loop with the web Friendly note: this may be a "negative" (i.e. bad) effect, but it is not a negative feedback loop. A negative feedback loop is a part of a system that self-corrects back toward a stable position. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_feedback

the negative feedback is that any attempt to create quality, non-seo content is punished by being ranked low and so we revert to average/low quality of over-SEOed but low signal content. Like other users have noticed, publishing a good recipe is not enough, you have to fill it up with useless fluff. and you have to make pretty URLs . And add meta the tags This happens for tech advice too, like linux solutions etc

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Re: We were promised Strong AI, but instead we got metadata analysis

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Post by [deleted] »

cblconfederate wrote: post #93
jacobolus wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> google created a negative feedback loop with the web Friendly note: this may be a "negative" (i.e. bad) effect, but it is not a negative feedback loop. A negative feedback loop is a part of a system that self-corrects back toward a stable position. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_feedback

the negative feedback is that any attempt to create quality, non-seo content is punished by being ranked low and so we revert to average/low quality of over-SEOed but low signal content. Like other users have noticed, publishing a good recipe is not enough, you have to fill it up with useless fluff. and you have to make pretty URLs . And add meta the tags This happens for tech advice too, like linux solutions etc

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Re: We were promised Strong AI, but instead we got metadata analysis

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Post by tjs8rj »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #32
cainxinth wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess the prospect of literally a hundred billion dollars each made them reconsider.

It would be interested to know how this process looked like. I'd imagine it was very gradual and consisted of little steps each leading to the next one, and when they finally started to serve ads they were probably thinking it's not that bad. I believe crossing that line made paved the way for considering things like tracking the whole web morally acceptable, maybe even positive.

I think the truth is that they were naive or focused on their consumer existence, but as soon as they were the owners of the hottest and best search engine it was a simple next step to monetize with ads. I don’t this excerpt suggests they had any personal qualms with ads, just that they had problems to be overcome and often detract from the user experience - which almost anyone would agree with including people who are rich from ads.

Re: We were promised Strong AI, but instead we got metadata analysis

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Post by ModernMech »

soarfourmore wrote: post #49

The following quotes are fairly interesting and ironic: > Larry Page and Sergey Brin were originally pretty negative about search engines that sold ads. Appendix A in their original paper says: >> "we expect that advertising-funded search engines will be inherently biased towards the advertisers and away from the needs of the consumers" > and that >> "we believe the issue of advertising causes enough mixed incentives…

That's not irony, it's evidence of mens rea.
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