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Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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The Taylor revenue from service looks totally reasonable in that business, restaurant equipment needs a lot of service and fails often and you often have no alternative on hand, having fast and helpful service has the same value a good machine has.

The software interface looks stupid, but ... that's really more of an industry problem.

Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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> If the nightly heat cycle fails to complete for one of a dozen reasons the machine locks out. Those unaware of the process usually end up calling for service even if it’s a operations error(not enough product to boil successfully) This example is covered in the video. ;) The thing is, at least according to the reporting, even these operations errors are not clearly defined by the messages given by the machine. So,…

I always had access to a Taylor manual and a Taylor technician via phone at no cost. Even with machines that were far out of warranty. Troubleshooting was never an issue for me. I never worked anywhere else with a Taylor machine. Perhaps other companies have better deals or easier to use equipment. I would like to know if Wendy's and others machines operate using the same food safety standards.

>>>I always had access to a Taylor manual

You expect people to RTFM.... come one this is 2021 no one reads manuals any more...

//wish that as sarcasm but the number of times I have seen a solution to a problem that plagued people for weeks be found clearly laid out in the manual for a given product is far to high

Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

#143

Question - I keep hearing about this frequently as a meme on the internet, but I have never ever been to a McDonalds that didn't have a working ice cream machine(here in UK). Is this unique to US for some reason?

Just watch the video :)

I watched it but didn't notice it saying if this was specific to the US. Maybe I had zoned out by then.

Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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> Time is too precious to waste Sure. Which is why my default youtube playback speed is 1.5X.

Mine has just kept getting faster and faster, thanks to this Chrome extension[1]. Right now I average 2.5x speed for most videos, and 2.2x for people that talk fast. [1] https://github.com/igrigorik/videospeed

This one is recommended for Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/videospeed/

I find that most videos are understandable up to 3x. I watch most of them at 2.5-2.8x, down to 2x for people that talk fast or with a hard accent. Same for podcasts.

Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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As someone who worked in stores for years, this isn’t entirely accurate. The machine isn’t just being an asshole to drive up service calls. The machines are filled with a dairy product which makes the “ice cream”. This is boiled nightly to keep the mixture free of bacteria. If the nightly heat cycle fails to complete for one of a dozen reasons the machine locks out. Those unaware of the process usually end up calling…

If it's mostly operator errors, than why not make the information clear to the operators on what the error actually is? Your post only confirms how bad Taylor machines at McDonalds are. It looks they are deliberately making the machines obscure to the operators

Yes, this seems to be exactly what they're doing – I posted a link on another thread to a Wired article that sheds some light on why these machines break down, and how McDonalds have waged legal war on a startup trying to bring some transparency to the internal operations of the Taylor machine.

Here it is again, to save searching through the comments: https://www.wired.com/story/they-hacked-mcdonalds-ice-cream-...

[edited to add link]

Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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Tldw: the machine throws obscure error codes (too viscous, failure to heat to proper temps, etc) and can “lock out” the operator, who has to then call an authorized service technician that bills hundreds of dollars for repair. Any attempt to self repair or hire someone else will void the warranty and is disallowed by McDonald’s corporate. The ice cream maker company, Taylor, reports 25% of their revenue is service an…

As someone who worked in stores for years, this isn’t entirely accurate. The machine isn’t just being an asshole to drive up service calls. The machines are filled with a dairy product which makes the “ice cream”. This is boiled nightly to keep the mixture free of bacteria. If the nightly heat cycle fails to complete for one of a dozen reasons the machine locks out. Those unaware of the process usually end up calling…

I was crew for a few years in the early to mid 90s. Back then, the machine simply needed to be cleaned nightly (water cycled through, all the gaskets cleaned and relubed). Not hard, but definitely required some training and most weren’t taught. It was rarely broken but we often started cleaning early so....

I guess it’s just way different now.

Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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No one is dying from actually repairing a machine. However, the soft-serve mix is very conducive to bacterial growth. People messing with the sterilization or the self-checks for sterilization could easily result in bacterial food borne illness which can be deadly.

>People messing with the sterilization or the self-checks for sterilization could easily result in bacterial food borne illness which can be deadly. Yes, it's deadly, this is exactly the reason why we should make sure that McDonalds staff can properly operate their icecream machines by making the machine as easy to use as possible. If you have untrained staff that keep running the machine out of specs because the mac…

> As it is right now, McDonalds is actively endangering its customers with these machines.

I would say it is quite clearly the opposite. Anything which could introduce safety risks to a customer necessitates a visit from a trained service technician to investigate.

Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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Tldw: the machine throws obscure error codes (too viscous, failure to heat to proper temps, etc) and can “lock out” the operator, who has to then call an authorized service technician that bills hundreds of dollars for repair. Any attempt to self repair or hire someone else will void the warranty and is disallowed by McDonald’s corporate. The ice cream maker company, Taylor, reports 25% of their revenue is service an…

Wooow, I would never have thought the issue would be software. So ironic. As a developer I just feel bad, it's like I'm working for the industry that is part of the problem.

Crazy to imagine that another simple non-software issue might have not been such a problem and would have been easily fixed.

I hope that one day, engineers will understand that the less electronics/software there is in a machine, the better it is. This trend should begin any time now.

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