Never mind all this NFT waffle. It’s 2021 and I still can’t pay someone 50 cents from my browser with one click. Why not?
BAT (the cryptoccurrency used in the Brave browser) allows you to do exactly that.
Paid in Full: an internet where every interaction is a financial transaction
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#62The Internet as we know it was built on the back of someone else's free. I am older than most of the crew here and can remember when the majority of the telnetting and IRCing we did was against .edu domains, using the disk space of a Sparc 1, sucking up someone else's bandwidth. In February of 1993, someone very much like Don Draper woke, inexplicably but smiling, with the first morning erection in years as the tag w…
> We have paid an enormous price for the "free" Internet and that price has been hidden from us through layers of affiliates and misdirection and double-Irish. Rudderless algorithms decide whether your fame career has any kind of money associated with it and for precisely how long. When the axe descends, the only sentence can be "You have violated the ToS."
I don't really think it would be any different if we paid. Look at sports for example. That's paid via subscriptions, tickets, merchandise, state sponsorship and so on, but it's still just as plastered with ads as the Internet. I think anywhere exploitation is possible, it will happen. If we paid, it'd just make some people even richer than they are now.
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#63If only the web was supported by visitors contributing to hosting costs of a visited page directly out of their internet bill, instead of advertisement supporting the web, and visitors paying a flat fee to their ISP regardless of their use.
Blogs could be sustained with little readership considering how cheap it is to host a lightweight website that sees little traffic, and larger websites like HN would pay for their hosting and on top of that maybe even have some funds to hire another dang. All of this could come without any advertisement, without dark patterns, tracking, tapping into our subconcious or primitive brain, and all the other evil genius ideas to come out of the advertisement industry. I can't help but think that this would create a better and perhaps less hostile place for everyone.
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#64If only the web was supported by visitors contributing to hosting costs of a visited page directly out of their internet bill, instead of advertisement supporting the web, and visitors paying a flat fee to their ISP regardless of their use. Blogs could be sustained with little readership considering how cheap it is to host a lightweight website that sees little traffic, and larger websites like HN would pay for their…
Also a more surveilled place. By definition, this system would require everyone’s activities to be tracked and stored.
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#65Thanks, I hate everything about this future internet. Let's just have a world where every single Internet transaction involves burning absurd amounts of energy to perform proof-of-work. It'll be great. Yes, sure, sure, ETH is trying to move to something else less absurdly wasteful, get back to me when that's not being pushed back on by miners who're pissed they'll make less money if that happens. Not only memes but i…
You can use layer 2 technologies like state channels to boost the efficiency of the market, you don't need every single transaction to happen on-chain. Skynet is a platform that does this already - every upload and download makes between 30 and 300 crypto transactions, including downloads that are only fetching a few kilobytes of data. It ends up being efficient enough to run at scale. Skynet currently has over 100,0…
Why not just self host if the goal is to get off something like youtube? Not sure what crypto gets the creator other than the off chance the speculators cause it to surge and the creator with large holdings sees a huge payday. Even then, an opportunity for the creator to gamble is a poor argument, that coin might never bear much fruit compared to a bet that's more certain, like betting on the continued success of the global economy, which has managed to pay off even in a global pandemic.
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#66If only the web was supported by visitors contributing to hosting costs of a visited page directly out of their internet bill, instead of advertisement supporting the web, and visitors paying a flat fee to their ISP regardless of their use. Blogs could be sustained with little readership considering how cheap it is to host a lightweight website that sees little traffic, and larger websites like HN would pay for their…
> [...] and larger websites like HN would pay for their hosting and on top of that maybe even have some funds to hire another dang. All of this could come without any advertisement, without dark patterns, tracking, tapping into our subconcious or primitive brain, and all the other evil genius ideas to come out of the advertisement industry
As long as more traffic still means more profit there would still be plenty incentive for websites to engage in evil tactics against their users, in order to ensure that the users spend as much time as possible on that site.
I too want a web without advertising, but I don’t believe for a second that all of the problems associated with advertising will go away even if advertising itself did. Some problems might disappear, others not, and new problems will appear in the place of problems that did disappear.
After all, there are very many people out there who have gotten really good at coming up with evil tactics. These people would still be out there, and in demand, even if advertising disappeared.
Re: Paid in Full: an internet where every interaction is a financial transaction
#67Never mind all this NFT waffle. It’s 2021 and I still can’t pay someone 50 cents from my browser with one click. Why not?
BAT (the cryptoccurrency used in the Brave browser) allows you to do exactly that.
No it doesn't. Pay me 50 cents right now with your BAT. You can't. There is no inlet on my end for this BAT without the cruft of me setting up whatever is required. Yet you should be able to, considering we both have computers capable of connecting to each other over the internet. We both have bank accounts or money someplace. I can send you a file with scp trivially right now. Why can't I send you 50 cents over the command line? It remains an unsolved problem.
Re: Paid in Full: an internet where every interaction is a financial transaction
#68The Internet as we know it was built on the back of someone else's free. I am older than most of the crew here and can remember when the majority of the telnetting and IRCing we did was against .edu domains, using the disk space of a Sparc 1, sucking up someone else's bandwidth. In February of 1993, someone very much like Don Draper woke, inexplicably but smiling, with the first morning erection in years as the tag w…
>NetZero told us that the Internet should be free. Email, free of expensive stamps, flew 'round the world.
Most ( if not all ) bad things starts from very good intentions.
Re: Paid in Full: an internet where every interaction is a financial transaction
#69If only the web was supported by visitors contributing to hosting costs of a visited page directly out of their internet bill, instead of advertisement supporting the web, and visitors paying a flat fee to their ISP regardless of their use. Blogs could be sustained with little readership considering how cheap it is to host a lightweight website that sees little traffic, and larger websites like HN would pay for their…
I would say that hosting a blog has an effectively zero monetary cost, that is, not distinguishable from the noise floor of daily spending, like an extra latte. For static blogs, even several completely free options exist.
The real cost of maintaining a blog is the time one spends to compose, edit, proofread, sometimes illustrate a blog post. And no, you don't think about a post only while you're working in it; you think in background, too.
This cost can hardly be remunerated by every reader paying a few cents, unless your readership is in tens of thousands at least, and the money allow you to actually free up some time for writing.
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#70If only the web was supported by visitors contributing to hosting costs of a visited page directly out of their internet bill, instead of advertisement supporting the web, and visitors paying a flat fee to their ISP regardless of their use. Blogs could be sustained with little readership considering how cheap it is to host a lightweight website that sees little traffic, and larger websites like HN would pay for their…
I just want a tipjar system. I put a small amount in it for the month. And whenever I read a good article I can tipjar it.
Alternatively maybe something that was on dragon’s den BBC : https://gener8ads.com/ , where you get paid for seeing ads or can opt to be completely anonymous.