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Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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Do you have any insight into why the machines are broken so often then?

They aren't "broken". It's operations failures. The basic fact of 1. Keeping the machine full of the right amount of product to complete it's nightly heat cycle 2. Have someone trained to fully clean the machine every 14 days Is a burden too great for many franchisees to bear. The turnover is too high and investment in people too low to keep them operational. Nothing about them is "broken"

Why are they using such a complicated ice cream machine? I worked in food service in the 2010s and ours was pretty simple. One switch at the back for on and off and that was it. It took one person like 10 minutes to break it down and have it cleaned at the end of the night. The hardest part was wiping the exterior down. You basically just put a bucket underneath, ran the ice cream out, then ran hot water through it (forgot if we used some sort of sanitizer here), and hand washed a couple pieces. Other commercial icecream machines I've seen work like this. This mcdonalds machine is blowing my mind. I wonder why they opted not to use the bog standard ice cream machine every other fast food place uses.

Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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Tldw: the machine throws obscure error codes (too viscous, failure to heat to proper temps, etc) and can “lock out” the operator, who has to then call an authorized service technician that bills hundreds of dollars for repair. Any attempt to self repair or hire someone else will void the warranty and is disallowed by McDonald’s corporate. The ice cream maker company, Taylor, reports 25% of their revenue is service an…

As someone who worked in stores for years, this isn’t entirely accurate. The machine isn’t just being an asshole to drive up service calls. The machines are filled with a dairy product which makes the “ice cream”. This is boiled nightly to keep the mixture free of bacteria. If the nightly heat cycle fails to complete for one of a dozen reasons the machine locks out. Those unaware of the process usually end up calling…

'boiled' is AFAIK a misnomer - I believe it is pasteurised ... at 151F - not actual boiling

Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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As someone who worked in stores for years, this isn’t entirely accurate. The machine isn’t just being an asshole to drive up service calls. The machines are filled with a dairy product which makes the “ice cream”. This is boiled nightly to keep the mixture free of bacteria. If the nightly heat cycle fails to complete for one of a dozen reasons the machine locks out. Those unaware of the process usually end up calling…

> Every two weeks the machine must be torn down and cleaned. It’s slightly complex but all well documented. Once the 14 day marker has been passed the machine is inoperable. It must be cleaned for food safety reasons. If your “cleaner” is out or you just have poor operations you’ll end up placing service calls out of confusion. This seems entirely reasonable to me. I've heard horror stories about bacteria & mold grow…

> Is there any reason why I, if I'm a McDonald's manager, couldn't take the training myself, and be the person who does the every-two-weeks maintenance?

I'd go out on a limb and say that it's McDonalds corporate that doesn't trust the franchise owner with the machine, not the manufacturer trying to swindle franchise owners.

Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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Can we please keep gender warfare off HN? (or at least when it has nothing to do with the story/discussion)

Isn't "mansplaining" nowadays so far gone that, as a word, it has become gender-neutral and is used instead of "condescending".

I'd say: no.

Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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There’s no fixing operator error.

It’s not operator error. As the video repeatedly points out, the same machines, by the same vendor, installed in other fast food restaurants (Wendy’s, etc), do not face similar breakdowns. It’s clearly a McDonald’s Corporate sanctioned plan.

It seems clear to me that McDonald's is bad at training their workers to use the machine that other fast food restaurants don't have trouble with.

Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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Is this "the ice cream machine is always broken" meme has always puzzled me. I don't go often to mcdonalds but with my ex-gf we would stop by if we're on a trip somewhere and she'd usually get an ice cream. I don't think we ever encountered the ice cream machine being out of service. Is it more of an issue in the US or did we just have extremely good luck?

Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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Is this "the ice cream machine is always broken" meme has always puzzled me. I don't go often to mcdonalds but with my ex-gf we would stop by if we're on a trip somewhere and she'd usually get an ice cream. I don't think we ever encountered the ice cream machine being out of service. Is it more of an issue in the US or did we just have extremely good luck?

I always thought the meme/joke is more about McFlurry than your standard ice cream.

I personally never encounter ice cream machine broken either.

Re: Investigating why McDonald's ice cream machines are often broken [video]

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> Every two weeks the machine must be torn down and cleaned. It’s slightly complex but all well documented. Once the 14 day marker has been passed the machine is inoperable. It must be cleaned for food safety reasons. If your “cleaner” is out or you just have poor operations you’ll end up placing service calls out of confusion. This seems entirely reasonable to me. I've heard horror stories about bacteria & mold grow…

> Is there any reason why I, if I'm a McDonald's manager, couldn't take the training myself, and be the person who does the every-two-weeks maintenance? I'd go out on a limb and say that it's McDonalds corporate that doesn't trust the franchise owner with the machine, not the manufacturer trying to swindle franchise owners.

Sure. But replace "franchise owner" with "shift manager" or whatever other job title you want.

The question remains - what's the barrier to entry to becoming "certified" as an ice cream machine cleaner?

Is it legitimately a difficult cleaning process that requires an extremely specialized skill-set that only the High Priests of Ice Cream Machinery are able to perform?

Or, as seems likely to me, cleaning the machine is relatively simple, but the ability to reset the "time since last cleaning" setting may be artificially restricted?

If I were the manufacturer of these Taylor ice cream machines, setting them up with a "one of our certified technicians needs to touch them at least once every 14 days, or they stop working" seems like an excellent way to seek rent / generate passive income.

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