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Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by Traster »

jollybean wrote: post #155
Traster wrote: post #109

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Think you're focused on the wrong issue there. The most likely reason your child is unlikely to get into a good university is because good universities have consistently chosen not to increase class sizes in line with the number of qualified students apply, as a result your child is way less likely due to pure statistics to get in. That's because the schools are social institutions not academic ones.

The ratio of qualified students to good uni seats has always been overloaded. In the context of 'culture wars', the 'number of seats added' is not really a culture war issue. Also, there are tons of great universities in the US. In 'culture wars' we have to have some way of allocating sets to 'the top schools', and it could be just 'SAT', family connections, entrance exam, race, class, etc.. Some groups feel slots sh…

16% of candidates to Harvard were accepted in 1992, this year that has dropped to 4%. So even if there is a problem with the selection criteria it’s likely marginal compared to the real issue which is the refusal of the top schools to actually meet demand despite clearly having the funds to do so.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by anonymoushn »

Traster wrote: post #201
jollybean wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ratio of qualified students to good uni seats has always been overloaded. In the context of 'culture wars', the 'number of seats added' is not really a culture war issue. Also, there are tons of great universities in the US. In 'culture wars' we have to have some way of allocating sets to 'the top schools', and it could be just 'SAT', family connections, entrance exam, race, class, etc.. Some groups feel slots sh…

16% of candidates to Harvard were accepted in 1992, this year that has dropped to 4%. So even if there is a problem with the selection criteria it’s likely marginal compared to the real issue which is the refusal of the top schools to actually meet demand despite clearly having the funds to do so.

How many schools did each candidate apply to in 1992 and in 2021?

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by WalterGR »

anticodon wrote: post #104
nradov wrote: post #46

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It's well known that foreign intelligence services are active on social media trying to foment divisiveness. They're not even necessarily pushing a specific political goal, just getting Americans to hate each other. The Russians appear to be the most active but other countries play the same game. So before you get drawn into an online argument, ask yourself am I dealing with an authentic person or a paid foreign trol…

> The Russians appear to be the most active but other countries play the same game. Russia is bombarded incessantly by US propaganda from US troll factories. Ever since I'm on Internet, I'm reading that Russians are drunkards, barbarians, that our past (even going 1000 years back) is all history of mutual killings, yadda yadda. It's so disgusting that I guess it even somewhat stopped to work because people are tired…

Ever since I'm on Internet, I'm reading that Russians are drunkards, barbarians, that our past (even going 1000 years back) is all history of mutual killings, yadda yadda.

As an American on the Internet since 1990, I didn't realize that Russians are like that.

Is this propaganda written in English or Russian?

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by jl2718 »

javajosh wrote: post #193
jl2718 wrote: post #187

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> so many people claim ... No they don’t. You created that monster in your mind. And you breathe life into it by telling the world it exists. What difference is there then, between that monster, and you.

"I see people I know who say, 'Chauvin is innocent', and I'm like, did we watch the same video?" This from the OP video https://youtu.be/0DRHn_Dz_js?t=384 Here is Tucker Carlson claiming the jury only convicted because they were scared to do otherwise. https://thehill.com/homenews/media/549435-tucker-carlson-sug... "This was a trial about whether the media was powerful enough to create a simulation and decide upon a…

Why do you even know anything about these people? It appears you seek your own hate. Once again, we see the monster is within.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by javajosh »

jl2718 wrote: post #204
javajosh wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I see people I know who say, 'Chauvin is innocent', and I'm like, did we watch the same video?" This from the OP video https://youtu.be/0DRHn_Dz_js?t=384 Here is Tucker Carlson claiming the jury only convicted because they were scared to do otherwise. https://thehill.com/homenews/media/549435-tucker-carlson-sug... "This was a trial about whether the media was powerful enough to create a simulation and decide upon a…

Why do you even know anything about these people? It appears you seek your own hate. Once again, we see the monster is within.

It appears to me that I triggered someone on the internet by using a word they didn't like. It triggered them to pivot, ironically, to an unrelated warning about talking about people you don't know personally.

I'm disengaging, but I suggest you look up the word "irony". Or maybe it's "hypocrisy". I don't know. Either way, I will not stop calling out anyone, famous or not, who I know personally or not, who watch a LEO murder a man in cold blood, from the start of the murder to the end of the Floyd's life, and STILL defend the cop! It is outrageous, monsterous, and that's where your energy should be spent, not attacking someone who, in your opinion, used the wrong word to characterize this kind of inhuman reaction to a gross injustice.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by anticodon »

WalterGR wrote: post #203
anticodon wrote: post #104

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> The Russians appear to be the most active but other countries play the same game. Russia is bombarded incessantly by US propaganda from US troll factories. Ever since I'm on Internet, I'm reading that Russians are drunkards, barbarians, that our past (even going 1000 years back) is all history of mutual killings, yadda yadda. It's so disgusting that I guess it even somewhat stopped to work because people are tired…

Ever since I'm on Internet, I'm reading that Russians are drunkards, barbarians, that our past (even going 1000 years back) is all history of mutual killings, yadda yadda. As an American on the Internet since 1990, I didn't realize that Russians are like that. Is this propaganda written in English or Russian?

As an American on the Internet since 1990, I didn't realize that Russians are like that.

You mean you don't believe me? When you watch Hollywood movies if there's Russian in the movie, would it be a good person? Or most Russians in the movies are blood thirsty villains that love to kill people as a hobby?..

Or have you watched the famous HBO series Chernobyl? Do you think that we really drink warm vodka from the bottle any time of the day? Or that all engineers, managers and government officials in Russia/USSR are clueless psycopaths like they're in Chernobyl and other movies and series about Russia/USSR?

Is this propaganda written in English or Russian?

In Russian. This propaganda is for creating dissent in Russian population, no sense to publish it in English. Besides, you can hire lots of people in poor former USSR republics to publish comments in Russian literally for the price of a bowl of rice. Such expenses are negligible for the US budget, why waste the opportunity.

Conversely, where Russia will take that much money and that many English-speaking people to create the same amount of propaganda? It's impossible. We're losing the war of comments and fake news and we never could win it. I'm really doubtful that we even tried to fight back.

You won't find many people capable of writing texts in English in Russia. And usually those people already have a good job and they're usually on the side of the West, it's very unlikely they would agree to work against the West.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by krapp »

teekert wrote: post #200
krapp wrote: post #192

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>But there may be republicans out there that do not like every aspect of Trump, yet agree even less with the democratic candidate. Sure, they wanted the Supreme Court stacked with conservatives, a hardline stance against China, a protectionist trade agenda focused on domestic manufacturing ... we've heard the apologetics. But if you're in one of the demographics that have spent the last four years living in fear and…

It went too far. And although your attitude may be excusable and perhaps even rational, it is for sure not helping to get your country into a better state. Maybe it now seems impossible but the road to a nicer country starts by forgiving and then understanding. And then civil discourse, perhaps over dinner ;)

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Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by jollybean »

Traster wrote: post #201
jollybean wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ratio of qualified students to good uni seats has always been overloaded. In the context of 'culture wars', the 'number of seats added' is not really a culture war issue. Also, there are tons of great universities in the US. In 'culture wars' we have to have some way of allocating sets to 'the top schools', and it could be just 'SAT', family connections, entrance exam, race, class, etc.. Some groups feel slots sh…

16% of candidates to Harvard were accepted in 1992, this year that has dropped to 4%. So even if there is a problem with the selection criteria it’s likely marginal compared to the real issue which is the refusal of the top schools to actually meet demand despite clearly having the funds to do so.

" refusal of the top schools to actually meet demand "

Doesn't work that way.

Every student probably wants to go to Harvard, demand is unlimited. If they lowered the standards for example, there would be more applicants.

The number of applicants varies by all sorts of factors. Students probably have started applying to far more schools than otherwise. There are more total uni students, even if the number of seats across america has grown commensurate, the number of applications to Harvard will still go up.

Finally, Harvard probably wouldn't be Harvard if it were 10x bigger, moreover, they have no obligation to do so. They can do as they please, there are tons of good schools in America.

This is not the issue we face with selectivity and race/class/gender, that's a lot harder and it's a problem they cannot avoid.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by barbacoa »

mousepilot wrote: post #190
mtc010170 wrote: post #42

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Hmmm. While I likely agree with you on many of the issues you’re highlighting.. what your response highlights more is exactly what the hosts are identifying as the real problem. Which is kind of ironic.

On the other hand, "both sides" can be used to rationalize bad actors. I'd imagine that 1940's Germany would be an excellent countpoint to the "both sides" fallacy. Sometimes there really are bad guys and its useful to keep an eye out for them.

The political "other side" in Germany in 1930s was the German Communist Party. Not "free health care" communists more like gulags and firing squads communists.

Not much better.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by mousepilot »

barbacoa wrote: post #209
mousepilot wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, "both sides" can be used to rationalize bad actors. I'd imagine that 1940's Germany would be an excellent countpoint to the "both sides" fallacy. Sometimes there really are bad guys and its useful to keep an eye out for them.

The political "other side" in Germany in 1930s was the German Communist Party. Not "free health care" communists more like gulags and firing squads communists. Not much better.

I'd like to read up on the gulags and firing squads of the German left around that timeframe, can you point me to some examples, coming up a bit short on Google.
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