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“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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Re: “No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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Post by giantg2 »

celticninja wrote: post #24
disgrunt wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As they should. This is judiciary overreach.

Yes let's leave these people in horrific environments and situations because we can. I can't believe that when common morality is so absent,that when it is so bad it has to be legally mandated, there are still people who think that leaving them to rot is ok. You are probably not a Christian, but you have a large Christian population and that they allow this to happen just highlights the hypocrisy of the entire idea o…

"You are probably not a Christian, but you have a large Christian population and that they allow this to happen just highlights the hypocrisy of the entire idea of the United States."

I'm interested... what is the entire idea of the US?

Re: “No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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Post by bifrost »

staticautomatic wrote: post #14
bifrost wrote: post #7

Interesting how the article completely leaves out the Heroin/Fentanyl/Meth epidemic. SF is another example of what happens when public policy gets it wrong, our false compassion is killing people and city leaders are doing less than nothing about it.

What is the nature of this “false compassion”?

Unclear. From what I can tell people seem to think that letting people languish/die on the street by choice is the right thing to do. I'd prefer that we look at addiction as a disease and a public health risk and that we get those people off the street - either into treatment or into the justice system because of the crimes they commit to maintain their addictions. If you look at what a lot of european countries do - they force people off the streets, while thats not very legal here, maybe that is what we should do.

Re: “No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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Post by insert_coin »

tremon wrote: post #23
adamsvystun wrote: post #11

> Carter ordered the City and County to provide offers of shelter within 90 days to all unaccompanied women and children in Skid Row; within 120 days shelter for all families there; and within 180 days shelter for everyone there. Further, he required them to offer housing and treatment services to all individuals within Skid Row who are in need of services from the Department of Mental Health or the Department of Pub…

Well, you could quote the next paragraph as well: > when the government was an active, willing, and knowing participant in creating the conditions that lead to the need for aid. This is known as the “state-created-danger” doctrine. Judge Carter invokes this as the primary justification for his sweeping order

Doesn't that also apply to every problem in society?

Re: “No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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Post by crooked-v »

Camillo wrote: post #29

I'll never understand how the American system of government is meant to work. You've got a legislature that typically fails to legislate, an executive that sometimes does the legislature's job, and a judiciary that can randomly step in and write both laws and decrees as long as someone brings the case before them. I hasten to note that many of everyone's favorite decisions came out of this process, so it seems to wor…

A key thing to keep in mind is that the US is one of the oldest among modern democracies, and the Constitution and the way the government was structured was entirely novel at the time. Other countries then had the mistakes of the US to learn from when implementing their own democratic systems.

Re: “No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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Post by iudqnolq »

Camillo wrote: post #29

I'll never understand how the American system of government is meant to work. You've got a legislature that typically fails to legislate, an executive that sometimes does the legislature's job, and a judiciary that can randomly step in and write both laws and decrees as long as someone brings the case before them. I hasten to note that many of everyone's favorite decisions came out of this process, so it seems to wor…

Where do you live?

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Post by giantg2 »

Camillo wrote: post #29

I'll never understand how the American system of government is meant to work. You've got a legislature that typically fails to legislate, an executive that sometimes does the legislature's job, and a judiciary that can randomly step in and write both laws and decrees as long as someone brings the case before them. I hasten to note that many of everyone's favorite decisions came out of this process, so it seems to wor…

It isn't designed like this. The people in power have steadily granted themselves more power over time. None of the people in the system want to call out the fundamental issues in the system today because they all take advantage of them.

Re: “No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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Post by disgrunt »

Schnitz wrote: post #10

Meanwhile Republican states keep sending their homeless to CA...

Meanwhile Californians keep re-electing Democrats who are perpetuating this humanitarian crisis in Skid Row. Those same Democrats have now appealed this order.

Re: “No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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Post by Turing_Machine »

olliej wrote: post #19
bifrost wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In SF our homelessness is driven by drug abuse and the lack of ability to put addicts and the mentally ill into conservatorship, its well documented. > If we're on the subject of compassion, millions who are no longer able to acquire effective pain relief could use some. Could you clarify what you mean by that?

What on earth? In SF homelessness is caused by the lack of housing. Mental illness is courtesy the Reagan era dismantling of mental health services in CA, and is over-represented for sure. However, the driving factor for homelessness in SF, is the fact that there is no where for people to live. Thats part of why eviction is so stupidly hard in SF. Once you become homeless it is functionally impossible to get out.

Reagan hasn't been Governor of California for 45 years.

Why haven't they fixed it since then?

Re: “No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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Post by giantg2 »

crooked-v wrote: post #35
Camillo wrote: post #29

I'll never understand how the American system of government is meant to work. You've got a legislature that typically fails to legislate, an executive that sometimes does the legislature's job, and a judiciary that can randomly step in and write both laws and decrees as long as someone brings the case before them. I hasten to note that many of everyone's favorite decisions came out of this process, so it seems to wor…

A key thing to keep in mind is that the US is one of the oldest among modern democracies, and the Constitution and the way the government was structured was entirely novel at the time. Other countries then had the mistakes of the US to learn from when implementing their own democratic systems.

We also have to note that the current implementation in not the way it was designed.
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