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Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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This is one of my favourite anecdotes from that book. In recent decades, we've learned how important intrinsic motivation is, and this is a great example of it. My father was a massive fan of Richard Feynman and also happened to be extremely cynical about formal education. He believed that if you wanted to learn something, you had to take the initiative and learn it for yourself, rather than waiting for the education…

I think you need both. Formal education is great for "basic skills". Most people won't invent calculus on their own. Most of us learn reading and writing in a formal way. But equally, formal education is only half of what is needed to be good in a field of work. Then there comes the experimentation, the practise. All the knowledge that can't really be taught by a book. Sometimes a good teacher or mentor can help on t…

In different terms, we’ve all heard If I have seen far, it is only because I stood on the shoulders of giants.

Those who came before give you a leg up so you can work on the next problem. There aren’t enough years in a life to develop particle physics by yourself, completely from scratch.

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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It does rely on incompressibility, but, to this order, does not include surface tension. The water faucet puzzle that interested me as a student was after the water had reached the sink and begun to spread out radially from the stream. Have you noticed that there is a circular boundary where the layer of water suddenly changes depth?

You mean the hydraulic termination shock? Something like this: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ryzFfMYaEV4/TZist3z0dxI/AAAAAAAAAE...

Yup.

It turns out to be more complicated than one (or than I) would think at first.

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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I read (listened to, technically) this book a few weeks ago because I've always been inspired by the idea of Feynman and didn't know much about him. Honestly, I actually like him less after having read it. As I guess I should have expected, because its subtitle is "Adventures of a Curious Character", it's unfortunately for me filled with many more random personal anecdotes, often involving naked women, prostitutes, g…

IIRC Feynman both had a reputation for putting a lot of effort into crafting a persona, and later said he had been less than honest in the sexist stories. So perhaps they reflect a somewhat different mix of sins.

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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What is it about those anecdotes that makes you like him less?

Dude was smart, but definitely a sexist. He didn't believe that women would be as capable of doing physics and engaged in some really awful behaviors that were weird even at the time (having meetings at a strip club? asking to paint students in the nude? really?). The lockpicking stuff in "Surely..." is a really fun chapter but also makes it clear that Feynman does not actually care that much about inconveniencing ot…

> He didn't believe that women would be as capable of doing physics

Interesting, from having read about his sister[1] I really got the impression that this limiting belief was something he bucked heavily, despite having been explicitly taught women were incapable of science by their mother and grandmother:

> Joan was an inquisitive child, and she exhibited an interest in understanding the natural world from an early age. However, her mother and grandmother both dissuaded her from pursuing science, since they believed that women's brains were not physically capable of understanding complex scientific concepts in the way that men's brains could. Despite this, her brother Richard always encouraged her to be curious about the universe. It was he who originally introduced young Joan to auroras when, one night, he coaxed her out of bed to witness the northern lights flickering above an empty golf course near their home

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Feynman

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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As a candidate that would be a hell of a red flag, particularly as an opener. After answering I would definitely follow up with "are situations like those an expected part of my day-to-day?" and minutely examine your response. Even if the rest of the interview went swimmingly that opener would give me pause after the fact. That question translates to me as "your sister teams/leadership/communication infrastructure ar…

Devil's Advocate: Interview questions are almost never related to the actual job. Why would the candidate assume otherwise in this case?

Fair point. I'd say it's sensible for the candidate to assume that context added to any hypothetical is there to inform their answer. Why add the context if it's not meant to inform? At that point it becomes fluff at best and misleading at worst.

It would make no sense for an interviewer to provide meaningless context unless they were deliberately attempting to distract from the the question, or are otherwise simply incompetent/unfocused. I don't see how gas-lighting candidates would be a productive mode of interview, particularly given that each party only has the interview from which to judge each others' character. Even if the candidate were to successfully discern the gas-lighting, all it would do is prevent trust from being formed. At that point every interaction would be subject to question.

So with the assumption that gas-lighting is not the intent and that the hiring party is competent, the question is how is the context meant to inform the response?

Given that the interviewer is gauging the candidate's ability to perform a job, it is sensible to assume that realistic-sounding context applied to a question is meant to see how the candidate would perform in what the interviewer deems a "realistic" scenario.

If the scenario is unrealistic but meant to impart other information, then it should be obvious or stated as such, so that the candidate can attempt to parse to the correct information from the scenario to inform their response.

If the point is merely to motivate the candidate to answer the question by placing themselves in a narrative, I'd argue they should be motivated enough by the fact that they're in a job interview, without the need for unrealistic scenarios. If they aren't then they clearly aren't taking the position seriously or likely have other issues that would impact their job performance even if hired.

Take the hypothetical removed from context: "You have make a deployable to-do list app as quickly as possible, speed and basic functionality are the only priorities. What tools do you use?..." That format accomplishes the same goal of revealing the candidate's knowledge of what a quick/dirty workflow looks like. The followup questions mentioned "what problems to you anticipate when scaling the solution? How would you on-board coworkers? How would you shift from rapid development to ongoing maintenance? etc" would then flesh out the candidate's knowledge equally as well.

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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The only role surface tension plays in the Feynman problem is to ensure that the cross section of the stream is a circle. The rest you can work out based on classical mechanics and the fact that the amount of water is conserved. You actually get exactly the same "thinning" behavior if somehow the stream is square shaped or anything else in cross-section.

Air pressure probably dominates over surface tension. Imagine a water column large enough that surface tension is very weak, say a tap with an outlet 1 metre in diameter. At the exit of the tap the pressure of the water is at air pressure ( = 1 bar: any less and the water would be pushed back into the tap). As the column speeds up, the pressure inside the column "wants" to decrease, however the air pressure outside f…

> Also the forces within the column depend on the hydrogen bonds between the water molecules, which will "pull" the column together. Effects at the actual surface will have little overall influence (the term surface tension seems misleading to me).

Water is a polar molecule with positive and negative charges corresponding to the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. This makes it a very ‘sticky’ molecule and so water coalesces into droplets and reaches an equilibrium internally. It’s the forces between molecules at the surface that are not at equilibrium, they experience a net attraction which causes the pressure in the droplet to increase — the Laplace pressure. The smaller the droplet the higher the Laplace pressure, lots of interesting stuff to read about there for you.

Now, consider the water tap, a very small flow rate of water will form a droplet which increases in size held in place by adhesion to the metal of the tap. Surface tension and the wet ability of the metal determines the shape of the droplet until it’s weight due to gravity overcomes the surface tension forces and it falls. The ambient pressure has no effect, the pressure of the water supply and the air are pretty much balanced, the pressure in the droplet is slightly higher due to the surface tension.

Increase the flow rate a bit and you will get a thin laminar column of water. Here the thinning effect due to acceleration is observed. However, the column quickly breaks up as per the Plateau-Rayleigh instability; the water is pulled into a chain of droplets. The air pressure is invariant so you can continue to ignore it. You can even work in a vacuum.

Increase the flow rate and the diameter increases due to the greater supply pressure needed to drive the flow. The supply can have zero velocity but higher pressure. Now you get a longer stream of laminar flow before the breakup occurs.

Increase the flow rate further and you start to see turbulent flow.

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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How do you let go of the things you want to do? I like to think that my side project is something only I could do, that the world needs but doesnt know it yet... so the thought of giving it up sends chills through me. You seem to have a really nice outlook on things so I'd really appreciate any hints on how to reconcile this and get to where you are! (I dont have any kids yet)

For the vast, vast, majority of us, nothing that we do individually is important. Sure we work and provide some value to somebody somewhere, but if we didn't exist or didn't do that job, the world wouldn't be any worse off. If you think otherwise, it's probably your ego lying to you.

And even still for those “others” - nothing individually they do is that important, it’s how the team they’ve assembled operates when the leader isn’t around... and as much as a belief system can anchor people into habits and behaviors, it’s still the deputies or vps of a cause that must maintain consistency in purpose...

That’s a long winded way of saying, no ones individual contributions are that important... it’s only through the concert of others that any person reaches those heights.

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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Surface tension plays a role. Water wants to reduce its surface area because forces between molecules at the surface pull them together. So a droplet of water will want to form a sphere. A column of water will first form into a cylinder and then break up into spherical droplets. It’s called the Plateau–Rayleigh instability. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plateau–Rayleigh_instability

I love HN. Start with feynman fooling around, and end with wikipedia explaining how close a man has to stand from a wall to minimize splashback while urinating. (15cm, to spare you the lookup)

Along the same lines, the “chain” shape of a urine stream explained: https://youtu.be/eOuai2p3qgw

It’s a property of the shape of the orifice and surface tension.

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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Dad of two - we basically don't, if I'm honest. I've had to give up on an immense number of things and while lots of people tell you "having kids is expensive" very few will tell you that the most expensive part is the opportunity cost. I have so many things I want to do and it hurts, almost physically, to watch other people doing them because they could hack on stuff after work while I had to deal with making sure a…

I’m right there with you man. Same ages even. The first few years of kids were infuriating and terrifying. I built my career by constantly exploring and learning after hours. Kids made that impossible, and that made me frustrated (because there’s SO MUCH I want to do besides diapers) and scared (because how can I maintain my career without learning). It’s somewhat better now. I’m seeing them grow and can believe that…

All true, and there are days I'm writing posts more like yours than mine. But today was hard.

A lot of it is fear - I honestly don't know if I can compete with people who can work all weekend or put in late nights.

Re: Feynman: I am burned out and I'll never accomplish anything (1985)

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Goal-oriented work, creativity and motivation definitely have a difficult relationship. In programming, I learn the most things simply by experimenting at home on my own. I'm thinking about switching jobs, so I wanted to learn some new frameworks and concepts to help with that, and I decided to make my personal projects a bit more "professional". Use continuous integration, focus more on web stuff, build and automati…

This is exactly why the more I think about it, the more I just want to git-push-heroku-goodbye and be done with it. I don't care about setting and maintaining AWS instances, docker containers and jenkins. The older I get, the more I realize how precious my time is and now I have very little patience for anyone or anything that wastes it. This is also why I've basically cut off all social medias from my life (except H…

I recently switched all of my personal projects from being self hosted on a linode with a complex nginx setup to just using Netlify... never going back.
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