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Post by getsat »

clintjhill wrote: post #134
getsat wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're correct, those aren't my beliefs. Merely an observation. > one of the means employed by tyrannical states On the other hand, we're starting to see the opposite happen. People in positions of power who abuse their authority (e.g., police) are starting to be targeted by regular people whose lives they interfere with. Have a Facebook/Twitter/Tumblr/MySpace/whatever account? Your personal information, friends, fam…

Let's not forget though - "I'm just doing my job" absolutely applies here. DPS did not create the laws. They enforce them. AZ is the state where a guy died doing his job in a photo radar vehicle. He was shot by a guy who felt the man in the vehicle was "the government". These families and homes are now targets.

My point is that "just doing your job" does not absolve you of social responsibility/repercussions. If a law were passed creating federal gangs that went around "borrowing" teenage girls from their families, you can bet fathers would kill to keep their daughters safe.

Just because something is legal does not make it ethical.

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Post by mattdeboard »

Houston wrote: post #174
mattdeboard wrote: post #172

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Lots of cops are former Marines, soldiers, etc. Im guessing you've never hung around with guys like this? I was a Marine for ten years; stuff like this gets shared and no one's giggling about it. You are definitely making a mountain out of a molehill. I say that based on personal experience.

What's the point in sharing it in this setting?

It's just interesting, that's all. For me personally, seeing people killed on the battlefield isn't a good feeling, but it's not strange either. It's not outside the sphere of my experience. I know that people get killed in war and sometimes it's tragic but it's still interesting to watch firefights and gunships engaging targets.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

furyg3 wrote: post #167
sunchild wrote: post #64

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I never said the informants would be killed. If a gang reads that they've got an informant in their midst, they'll find someone and punish them – right or wrong. I'm not saying LulzSec is wrong to publish it; I'm just pointing out that it won't be lulz for those particular people who catch the short end of that particular stick.

So we've got a situation where a) someone has joined a gang where the morals permit killing people, b) their leadership (rightly or wrongly) becomes paranoid for whatever reason, and c) they accidentally kill a one or more of their own gang members thinking they are informants. So... that's clearly murder and those who committed it should be brought before the legal system... but it's not exactly the most tragic thin…

Its often called a 'public service' killing.

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Post by redthrowaway »

lhnz wrote: post #173
redthrowaway wrote: post #59

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1) They clearly don't care about collateral damage, and 2) WL still isn't accepting submissions until DDB hands back their database.

DDB? I've not heard of this.

Daniel Domscheit-Berg. A quick intro to the submission issue can be found here: http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2011/02/09/wikileaks-f...

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Post by chrisjsmith »

donall wrote: post #199
chrisjsmith wrote: post #175

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Most of the deaths are due to negligence on the part of the police. The concern is that this is intentional negligence which is never properly investigated. The IPCC rarely rule against the police however the legal system are less biased, if it gets that far. 30 seconds googling... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/18/ukcrime.prisonsandp... http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinso... http://ww…

I'm not doubting that the British police have a history of misconduct or that people die in prisons (and I'm not trying to justify it either - it's unequivocally wrong, in my opinion). But your assertion that "they are recorded as suicides and the doctor and coroner are police appointed ones" suggests that there is a significant cover-up operation and that it heavily involves the Freemasons. I wasn't aware of the num…

I have personally known two masons and they have said on many an occasion that they are obliged under their oath to do what their seniors request regardless of the law and they will be protected from prosecution in the course (which they found morally objectional). If you read up on masonic laws and history, this is normal. They're almost like the scientologists without the religious crazy stuff.

The same applies to "people's networks" such as the Oxford and Eton alumni which is ingrained in politics and the legal system in the UK.

The outcome of this is intentionally botched inquests such as the David Kelly one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_%28weapons_expert%2...

If you check the record of doctors and legal professionals involved, some of them are Oxford grads at the same time Blair was and were chosen on government recommendation. The others are professionally related to the Oxford alumni.

An independent enquiry with properly referenced sources rather than a government puppet show would do well here.

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Post by e40 »

Alex3917 wrote: post #193
3pt14159 wrote: post #192

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Do you have a reliable source for that?

It was reported in basically every major newspaper. The Times of India discovered a wire transfer of 100k from the head of Pakistani intelligence (Mahmood Ahmed) to the lead hijacker (Mohamed Atta) shortly before 9/11, and then papers like the NYT/WSJ confirmed the findings with unnamed senior US officials. The US then pressured Pakistan to get Mahmud Ahmed to step down from the ISI, which he did. (Despite being cove…

The first link's reference is a dead link.

The second link doesn't really have references that are credible.

I'll repeat: anything reliable?

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Post by [deleted] »

e40 wrote: post #206
Alex3917 wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was reported in basically every major newspaper. The Times of India discovered a wire transfer of 100k from the head of Pakistani intelligence (Mahmood Ahmed) to the lead hijacker (Mohamed Atta) shortly before 9/11, and then papers like the NYT/WSJ confirmed the findings with unnamed senior US officials. The US then pressured Pakistan to get Mahmud Ahmed to step down from the ISI, which he did. (Despite being cove…

The first link's reference is a dead link. The second link doesn't really have references that are credible. I'll repeat: anything reliable?

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Post by jvandenbroeck »

abbasmehdi wrote: post #3
jvandenbroeck wrote: post #2

Let's hope they catch them soon.

Catch whom? The smokescreen creators or those exposing them?

Catch LulzSec, in the beginning, I had nothing against them. Ok they where causing Sony harm, but they where making a good point about internet security.

Now that they are publishing all these peoples information, law enforcers, encouraging other people to do the some in other countries,.. they are going to far. That's not "lulz" anymore.

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Post by Alex3917 »

e40 wrote: post #206
Alex3917 wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was reported in basically every major newspaper. The Times of India discovered a wire transfer of 100k from the head of Pakistani intelligence (Mahmood Ahmed) to the lead hijacker (Mohamed Atta) shortly before 9/11, and then papers like the NYT/WSJ confirmed the findings with unnamed senior US officials. The US then pressured Pakistan to get Mahmud Ahmed to step down from the ISI, which he did. (Despite being cove…

The first link's reference is a dead link. The second link doesn't really have references that are credible. I'll repeat: anything reliable?

The first link isn't dead, it just has an extra quote at the end of the URL:

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2001-10-09/india...

There are also footnotes here sourcing all of the claims to major newspapers:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html

I haven't actually gone to the library and looked up the paper editions or the original broadcasts, but I have no reason to believe that they don't exist. E.g.

"As to September 11th, federal authorities have told ABC News they have now tracked more than $100,000 from banks in Pakistan, to two banks in Florida, to accounts held by suspected hijack ring leader, Mohammed Atta." Source: Statement of Brian Ross reporting on information conveyed to him by the FBI, ABC News, This Week, September 30, 2001.

You might even be able to find this on archive.org, otherwise you'd have to go to a library I guess. I think that Loose Change: Final Cut also sources the claims, but I haven't seen it in a couple years so I can't remember.

edit: Even the sites purporting to debunk the claim don't deny the articles exist, they're just challenging the existence/validity of the anonymous senior official(s).

edit2: Loose Change link showing the government redacted a question about the ISI from the official transcripts of a press conference even though it was asked on video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8IqZwl3l-o#t=1m14s

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Post by e40 »

Alex3917 wrote: post #209
e40 wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first link's reference is a dead link. The second link doesn't really have references that are credible. I'll repeat: anything reliable?

The first link isn't dead, it just has an extra quote at the end of the URL: http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2001-10-09/india... There are also footnotes here sourcing all of the claims to major newspapers: http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html I haven't actually gone to the library and looked up the paper editions or the original broadcasts, but I have no reason to believe that they don't ex…

The first link isn't dead, it just has an extra quote at the end of the URL

It was dead because it was non-functioning. OK, so the fixed link is good and doesn't backup your assertion:

The guy who wired the lead 9/11 hijacker 100k, presumably to pay for the 9/11 attacks, had breakfast with the Bush administration the morning of 9/11.

That's what people here are asking for a "reliable source" for. And Loose Change would not be considered a reliable source.

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