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Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

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Post by throwawaysea »

rualca wrote: post #19
throwawaysea wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, not really. I’m not sure I understand what you’re pointing to here. The timeline you’re referring to is aligned with what I said - that India was regarded to have managed the pandemic well just a month or two ago. It’s late April now and late Feb is when the new spike began . On March 1, the entire country still had only 15K cases per day on a rolling weekly average - nearly indistinguishable as a new and diffe…

> (...) The timeline you’re referring to is aligned with what I said - that India was regarded to have managed the pandemic well just a month or two ago. Please don't try to gaslight. I've refuted your baseless assertion that everything was all fine and dandy in India regarding it's struggle with the covid-19 pandemic in Feb/March. I've provided a reputable reference from that time that already showed great concern a…

Your own BBC link only talks about cases increasing only in a few states at that time. It quoted medical authorities saying the increased number of cases in some states could be due to increased testing. It includes a graph showing that the overall case rate and death rate in India wasn’t out of the ordinary, matching short lived fluctuations previously seen. This same article also doesn’t single out political rallies or reopening as you did - it speculated about those possibilities for some localities, and also speculated that it could be due to new variants, but doesn’t decisively point at anything as a “key factor” driving a new countrywide surge. The virologist quoted there also clearly didn’t think a big new countrywide surge had begun, given his very tempered statement:

> "We may see more localised surges in different part of the country in the coming weeks, and the only way to stay on top of the situation is to be vigilant. We need to be concerned but we are not at a stage where we need to panic"

Did you even read the article?

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

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Post by throwawaysea »

srean wrote: post #17
throwawaysea wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, not really. I’m not sure I understand what you’re pointing to here. The timeline you’re referring to is aligned with what I said - that India was regarded to have managed the pandemic well just a month or two ago. It’s late April now and late Feb is when the new spike began . On March 1, the entire country still had only 15K cases per day on a rolling weekly average - nearly indistinguishable as a new and diffe…

Yeah right some folks are still dragging their feet about lack of convincing causal evidence that smoking increases lung cancer risk. An Upton Sinclair quote comes to the mind.

There’s already significant causal evidence on smoking causing increased lung cancer risk. False equivalence.

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

#23

Post by srean »

throwawaysea wrote: post #22
srean wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah right some folks are still dragging their feet about lack of convincing causal evidence that smoking increases lung cancer risk. An Upton Sinclair quote comes to the mind.

There’s already significant causal evidence on smoking causing increased lung cancer risk. False equivalence.

Exactly, yet ... folks are still dragging their feet about lack of convincing causal evidence that smoking increases lung cancer risk

There are flat earthers and 'outdoor transmissions are rare'ers. Similarities are striking. Upton Sinclair still comes to the mind.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2...

Political rallies cover two of three 'C's called out, but folks find it hard to believe when they are invested in a narrative that requires them not to believe. Even if the strain is a more virulent form, it is unlikely that that rallies helped keeping numbers in check.

Targeted misdirection "oh look more virulent strain" is exactly that, a motivated misdirection.

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

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Post by rualca »

throwawaysea wrote: post #21
rualca wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (...) The timeline you’re referring to is aligned with what I said - that India was regarded to have managed the pandemic well just a month or two ago. Please don't try to gaslight. I've refuted your baseless assertion that everything was all fine and dandy in India regarding it's struggle with the covid-19 pandemic in Feb/March. I've provided a reputable reference from that time that already showed great concern a…

Your own BBC link only talks about cases increasing only in a few states at that time. It quoted medical authorities saying the increased number of cases in some states could be due to increased testing. It includes a graph showing that the overall case rate and death rate in India wasn’t out of the ordinary, matching short lived fluctuations previously seen. This same article also doesn’t single out political rallie…

> Your own BBC link only talks about cases increasing only in a few states at that time.

From the article:

> Mr Menon says the only reasonable conclusion is that surveillance in these states is stronger and that a similar rise in other states may simply have gone undetected so far.

Also, FTA:

> Dr A Fathahudeen, who is part of Kerala's Covid task force, says his state has been reporting a persistent rise in cases in the past few weeks, but it's largely because of improved testing. (...) He advises other states to follow the same measures. "Not finding new cases doesn't mean Covid has gone away. It simply means that the virus is burning through the population until it finds weaker victims like the elderly and people with co-morbidities."

If you have no intention to be honest, please refrain from posting at all.

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

#25

Post by srean »

skinnymuch wrote: post #14
throwawaysea wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has been a lot of recent foreign criticism leveled at the Indian government regarding COVID, which seems like political opportunism. Only a month or two ago, India was in a great position with respect to COVID and was regarded as having successfully managed the pandemic. Another article recently discussed on HN made clear that India enacted much more stringent mandates and containment procedures than the US eve…

This is far too biased. Not providing any info either. More victim complex for India. Below you wrote: > Outdoor transmission is incredibly rare. Which is demonstrably not true. You were responding to people in close proximity for long periods of time outside.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210203131743if_/https://thewir...

Just in case you are not familiar with the tactics.

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

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Post by throwawaysea »

rualca wrote: post #24
throwawaysea wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your own BBC link only talks about cases increasing only in a few states at that time. It quoted medical authorities saying the increased number of cases in some states could be due to increased testing. It includes a graph showing that the overall case rate and death rate in India wasn’t out of the ordinary, matching short lived fluctuations previously seen. This same article also doesn’t single out political rallie…

> Your own BBC link only talks about cases increasing only in a few states at that time. From the article: > Mr Menon says the only reasonable conclusion is that surveillance in these states is stronger and that a similar rise in other states may simply have gone undetected so far. Also, FTA: > Dr A Fathahudeen, who is part of Kerala's Covid task force, says his state has been reporting a persistent rise in cases in…

You’re quoting random opinions that don’t pertain to what we were debating. This still doesn’t refute my original claim that India was regarded to have managed the pandemic well just a month or two ago, and that the sudden rise in cases could be due to any number of factors, not just “political rallies” (which were only in a few states) or “opening up” (which varies by location). Literally nothing you have shared or posted proves anything is a “key factor”.

You’re digging yourself into a deeper hole by repeatedly quoting open speculation instead of actual evidence. I have no interest in discussing this further with a new account that is running a Gish gallop, if even that. Goodbye.

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

#27

Post by rualca »

throwawaysea wrote: post #26
rualca wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Your own BBC link only talks about cases increasing only in a few states at that time. From the article: > Mr Menon says the only reasonable conclusion is that surveillance in these states is stronger and that a similar rise in other states may simply have gone undetected so far. Also, FTA: > Dr A Fathahudeen, who is part of Kerala's Covid task force, says his state has been reporting a persistent rise in cases in…

You’re quoting random opinions that don’t pertain to what we were debating. This still doesn’t refute my original claim that India was regarded to have managed the pandemic well just a month or two ago, and that the sudden rise in cases could be due to any number of factors, not just “political rallies” (which were only in a few states) or “opening up” (which varies by location). Literally nothing you have shared or…

> You’re quoting random opinions that don’t pertain to what we were debating.

I've quoted the Kerala COVID task force representative discussing details of India's covid ongoing massive COVID outbreak.

I'm not going to continue wasting time with an individual so hell-bent on trying to gaslight and misrepresent facts and reality.

Re: India orders Twitter to pull tweets criticizing its Covid-19 response

#28

Post by skinnymuch »

srean wrote: post #25
skinnymuch wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is far too biased. Not providing any info either. More victim complex for India. Below you wrote: > Outdoor transmission is incredibly rare. Which is demonstrably not true. You were responding to people in close proximity for long periods of time outside.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210203131743if_/https://thewir... Just in case you are not familiar with the tactics.

Thanks. Helpful to see
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