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> (and it is generally a job done by men) Funny that there haven't been more efforts to make such jobs more gender inclusive, as there have been for doctors, professors and CEOs. It's as if those movements are about seeking higher status rather than greater equality.
> (and it is generally a job done by men) Funny that there haven't been more efforts to make such jobs more gender inclusive, as there have been for doctors, professors and CEOs. It's as if those movements are about seeking higher status rather than greater equality.
Smae reason there aren't more efforts to make more men into cleaning or nursing. The point of inclusion efforts is to help people who want to do a job they are qualified for, but are prevented from doing by discrimination.
1. We are incredibly grateful to our knackerman. The old one retired at about 70, and the newer guy is spot on. Calm, patient and pleasant to people and animals.
2. British farming (focusing on Britain here as the article does) has a crap safety record. Follow lens_leg[1] for a feed of UK farming casualties. It's saddening. But over this last year holy fuck has mental health taken a dive with the rest of the world. And that won't help physical safety/health
3. The author of this piece is correct when they say no farmer wants to see the knackerman. We hate having to call him out. But we do, because it's the right thing for an animal in distress. And unless it's a true emergency, we'd rather he euthanised the animal for us. He's more skilled and has less emotional involvement. Killing something - even if it's needed - isn't easy.
4. A request: Please don't lump UK farming in with the other countries farming practices for welfare and environmental practices. We surely do have our faults, but are also making great strides in making farming better. For example RUMA[2] for antibiotic usage and the NFU targeting net zero emissions by 2040[3]
[1] https://twitter.com/lens_leg
[2] https://www.ruma.org.uk/eu-continues-reductions-in-farm-anti...
[3] https://www.nfuonline.com/nfu-online/business/regulation/ach...
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> (and it is generally a job done by men) Funny that there haven't been more efforts to make such jobs more gender inclusive, as there have been for doctors, professors and CEOs. It's as if those movements are about seeking higher status rather than greater equality.
Smae reason there aren't more efforts to make more men into cleaning or nursing. The point of inclusion efforts is to help people who want to do a job they are qualified for, but are prevented from doing by discrimination.
There are efforts to get more men into nursing. These are easy to find with a simple Google search.
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Smae reason there aren't more efforts to make more men into cleaning or nursing. The point of inclusion efforts is to help people who want to do a job they are qualified for, but are prevented from doing by discrimination.
The consequence of which is men doing all the dangerous and dirty jobs no one else wants, particularly working-class men who don’t have other options. Doesn’t that sound like discrimination?
The knackerman who deal with the last pony was so good at his job, it made what was a truly traumatic experience so much more bearable. I had walked around with Tim (the pony in question) after the vet had been and made him as comfortable as possible, and he had been leaning on me (he was in his twenties and I'd known him since he was a 3 month or so old foal).
When the time came to say goodbye, he was dealt with appropriately and passed away seemingly painlessly (the vet gave a lethal injection after a heavy sedative which saw him fall onto the floor pretty quickly). The knackerman left us time to say goodbye, and ensured that Tim's body was removed quickly and neatly, without us needing to see it happen. Moving an animal that weighs over a ton is clearly not easy, and it was done professionally and quickly. It was a relief to see him dealt with in a respectful manner, and was already a pretty horrible day was made much better by his professional manner and quick service.
I think jobs like these are so easily forgotten by people who don't have to deal with this sort of thing on a day-to-day (or even year-to-year) basis.
A term I haven't heard since reading All Creatures Great And Small , where the local knackerman c. 1930 was described as a walking example of the hygiene hypothesis: surrounded by dead animals, and in the peak of health.
This is a good article. I'm a livestock farmer and a few lines really stuck: 1. We are incredibly grateful to our knackerman. The old one retired at about 70, and the newer guy is spot on. Calm, patient and pleasant to people and animals. 2. British farming (focusing on Britain here as the article does) has a crap safety record. Follow lens_leg[1] for a feed of UK farming casualties. It's saddening. But over this las…
I'm genuinely afraid for what the next 12 months will have in store in terms of the rates of things resulting for poor mental health for those in farming professions. It's been a terrible period.
> (and it is generally a job done by men) Funny that there haven't been more efforts to make such jobs more gender inclusive, as there have been for doctors, professors and CEOs. It's as if those movements are about seeking higher status rather than greater equality.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
That an article contains a provocation is not a good reason to bring it in here and set the thread on fire. What to do instead: leave it there and wait for the activation to settle before posting. We're trying for curious conversation here, and repetition and flamewar go against that.
If you (or anyone) would like a fuller explanation of how and why this kind of generic tangent goes against the intended use of HN, there's a recent one here, with a bunch of links to others: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26894739.
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It's also a very derogatory word in Ireland for a member of the travelling/gypsy community.
Who also used to be the knackermen back in the day, hence they became knows as the 'knackers'.