Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years • Hacker News Board

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by MR4D » Sun, Apr 25, 2021, 2:45 AM UTC

novok wrote: post #179

jollybean wrote: post #130

Folks - this is what we are outsourcing and externalizing. When foreign entities are able to bid for a lot less, and pay a lot less, a lot of it has to do with the fact that they will not bother with 'end of life' for ships, or getting insurance, or worrying about the lives of people who are 'expendable'. Those very nice buildings in Dubai come from some nasty labour practices. If every piece of this puzzle from end-…

The fault here is ultimately with egypt. They were not letting him leave, they took his passport and not even letting him get 'deported' back to his home country. This is not from outsourcing, this is Kafkaesque bureaucracy created by Egypt itself.

Do you really think that same event would have happened to an American?

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by jfrunyon » Sun, Apr 25, 2021, 9:17 AM UTC

water8 wrote: post #171

jfrunyon wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American manufacturing was shipped overseas because , i.e. after, American labor was unable to compete. I'm not sure what "corporate trade agreements" means either; corporations don't make "trade agreements". I'm also not sure why everyone takes for granted that America not having as many manufacturing jobs is a bad thing...

Manufacturing is like a ladder. When you outsource the bottom, it’s no different than cutting the rungs of a ladder beneath you. Manufacturing is essential to the wealth and prosperity of any nation.

Source? Reasoning? No? So we're back where we started, thanks.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by new_ran779 » Sun, Apr 25, 2021, 11:22 AM UTC

Just why is this on HN?

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by water8 » Sun, Apr 25, 2021, 2:48 PM UTC

jfrunyon wrote: post #422

water8 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manufacturing is like a ladder. When you outsource the bottom, it’s no different than cutting the rungs of a ladder beneath you. Manufacturing is essential to the wealth and prosperity of any nation.

Source? Reasoning? No? So we're back where we started, thanks.

The Source is WW1 and WW2. Germany was the world powerhouse in production not population. Their ability to out manufacture their neighboring countries lead to some pretty horrible things.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by harry8 » Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 12:17 AM UTC

Aerroon wrote: post #323

harry8 wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Running and hiding when insolvency hits is illegal in most places. But sure, it's certainly possible that this has happened to his employer while that company who employ him is still providing quotes about it being impossible to find anyone who would take his place but not paying him either. So in insolvency that is deemed bankruptcy the assets of the company are traditionally used to deal with as much of the liabili…

I'm not talking about this specific instance. I'm saying that companies can fail to do something due to myriad reasons. You shouldn't tie a third party's freedom (the ship's "legal guardian") to a company behaving correctly . If the company doesn't deal with the jeopardy a person is in then governments should try to resolve it in a reasonable timeframe or at least create reasonable accommodations until the situation…

Nup. Not even close. Choosing to dump your employee in hell is /wrong/. There is no excuse in this instance or any. There's a different choice you can make so make it. The end. The local laws that are a necessary condition for your employee being retained in hell are simply not interesting if you have the choice to get them out of hell. It is clear that this is a choice. But sure, the company could also agitate for legal reform in Egypt once they secured the liberty of their employee. That's a responsible thing to do.

Then if a company has behaved abysmally by choosing to dump their employee in hell then the law needs to be involved on those making that decision. Absolutely. There needs to be consequences for making that /choice/. As was clearly made in this instance assuming the accuracy of the report.

Re: Stranded sailor allowed to leave abandoned ship after four years

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Post by mkhalil » Sun, May 02, 2021, 2:32 AM UTC

zaphirplane wrote: post #374

mkhalil wrote: post #205

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I am not certain but from my expierence, it would most likely consist of detention, fear, and likely some torture; to say nothing of the torture it is to take someone's passport and trap them onboard a ship for 4 years.

The other crew left and presumably the captain after this guy signed to stay and be the custodian, there is nothing to indicate in the article he of all the crew was singled out (from memory) Obviously it doesn’t change the tragic situation, had he not signed up as custodian we’d be reading an article about a ship captain stuck on a ship Not to victim blame there is a difference between someone stole x thousands from…

Whether or not he signed a form making him custodian is irrelavent. The matter of the fact is, nobody - custodian or not - should be forced to live on a ship against there will and/or have their passport taken/be detained for years for anything not a criminal offense [and in this case ultimately not their responsability, but even if so].