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Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by CRConrad »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #183
throwaway_isms wrote: post #172

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It is, not so much so that the concept is not without precedent ("book burnings" are quite famous throughout history), but that the book burnings will be conducted by corporations that also have all the data on those who ever read them, and not to mention they are the ones who initially made money selling them in the first place. In fact [blank] is a fantastic writing prompt for a dystopian novel, seems like a fun li…

In the before times, people were allowed to show their faces.

As they will be again, as soon as they stop huffing death unto the faces of others.

Now stop derailing a serious discussion with this stupid tinfoilhattery.

Thank you.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

benfrancom wrote: post #427
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #343

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They still do, Apple's MP3s are DRM-free, and you can download them with the iTunes desktop client. Another super handy way: Amazon. Amazon's MP3 download store is DRM-free, but also, Amazon has an "Auto-Rip" feature that means often when you buy the physical music CD, they immediately give you the ability to download the MP3s for free. You get the real purchase of physical media, and the convenience of instant acces…

If you bought Apple's MP3's when they had DRM, you can't get them without it. (Maybe if you re-purchase it?). At least I can't access DRM free music that I purchased initially with DRM.

Yeah, that sounds like some contractual nonsense. Similar to how Play Family Sharing only applies to apps bought after they rolled it out.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by nomel »

lrvick wrote: post #441
nomel wrote: post #360

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Almost all of my optical media from around the year 2000 oxidized and stopped working. I've lost more CDs, DVDs, and blue rays to scratches than I care to admit. Many of my old photos and books were destroyed with some water damage. Much of it was due to improper storage, but that's where the very real value of not having something physical or on site comes from. When I get a choice between cloud and physical, I now…

This is a real shame. I encourage anyone with physical media to make digital backups right away in case the media becomes unreadable down the road. Then the original media, readable or not, is just a physical license certificate that sits on a shelf. In the case of blu-rays or DVDs be sure you rip them by simply doing analog MITM recording in a custom LCD controller just after the DRM decryption is done so you don't…

I’ve known a few people that had all of their photos backed up on USB flash drives. Once their main drives eventually died they quickly leaned that flash drives have a limited unpowered shelf life. I’ve seen family members cry. I tell everyone to use a real cloud backup services, rather than a home grown backups that everyone forgets to refresh.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by tinus_hn »

datavirtue wrote: post #288
BruiseLee wrote: post #207

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Actually that is correct in many countries (including US). After a period of inactivity (typically 3-5 years) the bank is required to turn over the money from inactive accounts to the state. This process is called escheatment. I'm not joking.

That is a protection. The government holds the money and you can apply for it anytime. As can your relatives. Have you never received unclaimed funds you didn't know were due to you?

Is this what the 419 scam stories are based on?

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Post by freebuju »

sixothree wrote: post #239
ghaff wrote: post #175

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I used to be somewhat skeptical of the convenience claim. A former colleague argued that the attraction of Napster was more about convenience than price which I didn't really buy. But if we look at the popularity of streaming services today versus owning even DRM-free music, that would seem to support the convenience theory. (It hasn't taken off for books to the same degree but I'd guess that's in part because the va…

I have Netflix, Prime, Hulu, Spotify, sometimes Youtube TV, OTA via TIVO. Trust me, TPB is much more convenient.

If you think TPB is the holy grail of convenience, then you haven't tried a service like real-debr1d with kodi. I've been a pirate for many years, nothing beats this combination if the objective is to stream whatever movie/show your heart desires on demand.

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by Qwertious »

iso1631 wrote: post #459
Qwertious wrote: post #351

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I don't think that's the right set of incentives: 1. Different industries have different paces; it might take 25 years for any NASA software to be fully developed in the first place, whereas if you haven't made back your money on your singleplayer videogame after 10 years, you probably won't ever make it back. Point is, there is no flat duration that is fair to every work out there. 2. almost by definition, the stuff…

> it might take 25 years for any NASA software to be fully developed in the first place NASA is a government agency, the work should be in the public domain

s/NASA/aerospace/

Re: Apple is sued for telling you that you're “buying” movies

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Post by sfgweilr4f »

DanBC wrote: post #40
sfgweilr4f wrote: post #14

The old discussions around digital assets resurface again. My perspective is really simple: If I buy something then its mine. If I lease something then its temporary. Buying a lease is actually just leasing. Digital assets are more often just fancy lease agreements. At best you get to keep access to what you paid for when you stop paying. At worst its literally just a lease. The real kicker is you often can't simply…

> Last time I looked you could write the MP3s to a CD. Format shifting isn't always legal. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/17/high-court-q...

Apple seems to think its OK according to this: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/itunes/itns2957/window...

There's probably a bunch of caveats why even this isn't allowed for whatever "reasons".

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Post by lofi_lory »

ineedasername wrote: post #418
lofi_lory wrote: post #282

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Thanks for the insights! Still I think ebooks are a different product. At least in my head. I have a different emotional relationship with a physical book. The information within isn't in competition with the endless a "wealth" of information available legally or not. For text books piracy is a victimless "crime" in my case, as having a digital copy or not, is independent from financial loss above a certain price tag…

In the case of text books, if you can't afford it then pirating it can actually be a net-benefit to society. You weren't going to contribute to the economy through purchasing it, but by learning from a pirated copy you increase your knowledge & potential value to society.

I was actually about to write the net benefit bit, but decided against for avoiding some knee jerk reaction of the HN crowd, drowning the argument XD

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

Ruthalas wrote: post #397
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #155

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Movies are a mixed bag. But once you own the disk - you, for all intents and purposes, own the movie. I can resell the disc. I can rip and backup the disc and thus have endless copies for myself, preventing me from having to re-purchase that disc. (ripping DVD is much easier than Bluray, I'll admit). IMHO, if i can control a piece of property (or a copy of it) for an indefinite amount of time, if i can copy/backup, w…

Do you prefer Jellyfin over Emby? I'm evaluating which to set up right now.

Emby is duplicating all the "sins" of Plex, IMHO.

Jellyfin isn't as nice as Plex and it's Roku app could use a UI rework, also having to put in IP/User/Pass on every client is a PITA. But overall i prefer it. It shows promise and i feel over the long haul it'll be the most consumer friendly option.

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